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G Brown's avatar

I disagree with cherry-picking and highlighting this incident - wrong as it is to blame all Jews for Israel's atrocities - and using it to defend Israel's escalating genocide of the Palestinian people.

There are numerous examples* from the mainstream press of many countries, of Netanyahu's openly announced plans, well prior to October 7, to expand further and take over more Palestinian territories. It is very clear that October 7 was no beginning of war - Israel and its creators began that over 75 years ago, with their regularly-enacted massacres of Palestinians - but merely a pretext for taking over the Gaza territory Israel has long wanted.

And we know from Israel's warring on areas where its hostages are being held - and from its treatment of them once released - that it does not especially care about Israeli hostages.

We also know that October 7 was a mere response (and not by Hamas alone - by a range of Palestinian parties) to Israel's brutal treatment of Palestinians. We also know that Israel has stepped up its brutality, dispossession and murdering in the West Bank over the last 6 months - again, this is simply not about Hamas.

As for "A major obstacle is that Hamas, a proscribed terrorist organisation whose charter calls for the violent elimination of Israel and the Jews" - well Hamas is only - and very mendaciously - described as a terrorist organisation by its foul allies, like Australia. Other parts of the world recognise that it is ridiculous and meaningless to call a legitimate governing party 'terrorist'. In Gaza, Israel is the terrorist party. International law recognises the right of occupied people to resist (it does not recognise Israel as having rights to war on Gaza).

And we need to see through the twisted line that Israel firing on hospitals means Hamas are the terrorists, had been hiding in hospitals, etc. Israel has consistently failed to present proof of this, but the reality is that if a foreign country came to a hospital where I was a patient or working, I would have the right to fire back at them from within the hospital. You cannot spin this in order to make Israel the victim here.

Re 'There never was any country called “Palestine” and the Jews are not “European colonisers who stole their land”. '

- Honestly, this is picking and misrepresentation in order to distract from larger picture. There are clearly numerous historical and map-based references to a territory called Palestine, even if it has been part of broader empires. And while prior to Israel's establishment, there were Jews living peacefully in the region, very clearly this is not what this is about. We know that Palestinians were expelled en masse from their lands and houses (the first Nakba) - pray tell why, if we are just talking about local Jews, who had already lived there for generations and as such already had homes??? We all know it was the European Jews who were used as the foot-soldiers to establish a Western-friendly base in the region, and settled there via dispossessing Palestinians.

* https://www.dw.com/en/israel-new-netanyahu-government-vows-to-expand-settlements/a-64228466

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/6/26/israel-approves-plans-for-thousands-of-illegal-settlement-homes

https://www.timesofisrael.com/pm-predicts-an-israel-transformed-in-mideast-has-no-words-for-internal-israeli-peace/ [Several weeks before Oct 7, Netanyahu publicly holds up a map without remaining Palestinian territories, advising Palestinians to just accept Israeli occupation of their lands.]

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Alison Bevege's avatar

Hamas is the Muslim Brotherhood. They are also democidal. They launched a deliberately sadistic rape and murder attack on civilians on October 7 in order to provoke a deadly response. By pushing their own civilian population into harms way, they can advance their political goal of destroying Israel (as they state in their Charter). They deliberately maximise civilian casualties in order to get money and support from the international community and it works. They do it because it works. Millions have rolled in via UNRWA and Islamic charities.

You see how effective their tactic is. It's terrorism not just against Israel but also against the interests of their own people.

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