I disagree with cherry-picking and highlighting this incident - wrong as it is to blame all Jews for Israel's atrocities - and using it to defend Israel's escalating genocide of the Palestinian people.
There are numerous examples* from the mainstream press of many countries, of Netanyahu's openly announced plans, well prior to October 7, to expand further and take over more Palestinian territories. It is very clear that October 7 was no beginning of war - Israel and its creators began that over 75 years ago, with their regularly-enacted massacres of Palestinians - but merely a pretext for taking over the Gaza territory Israel has long wanted.
And we know from Israel's warring on areas where its hostages are being held - and from its treatment of them once released - that it does not especially care about Israeli hostages.
We also know that October 7 was a mere response (and not by Hamas alone - by a range of Palestinian parties) to Israel's brutal treatment of Palestinians. We also know that Israel has stepped up its brutality, dispossession and murdering in the West Bank over the last 6 months - again, this is simply not about Hamas.
As for "A major obstacle is that Hamas, a proscribed terrorist organisation whose charter calls for the violent elimination of Israel and the Jews" - well Hamas is only - and very mendaciously - described as a terrorist organisation by its foul allies, like Australia. Other parts of the world recognise that it is ridiculous and meaningless to call a legitimate governing party 'terrorist'. In Gaza, Israel is the terrorist party. International law recognises the right of occupied people to resist (it does not recognise Israel as having rights to war on Gaza).
And we need to see through the twisted line that Israel firing on hospitals means Hamas are the terrorists, had been hiding in hospitals, etc. Israel has consistently failed to present proof of this, but the reality is that if a foreign country came to a hospital where I was a patient or working, I would have the right to fire back at them from within the hospital. You cannot spin this in order to make Israel the victim here.
Re 'There never was any country called “Palestine” and the Jews are not “European colonisers who stole their land”. '
- Honestly, this is picking and misrepresentation in order to distract from larger picture. There are clearly numerous historical and map-based references to a territory called Palestine, even if it has been part of broader empires. And while prior to Israel's establishment, there were Jews living peacefully in the region, very clearly this is not what this is about. We know that Palestinians were expelled en masse from their lands and houses (the first Nakba) - pray tell why, if we are just talking about local Jews, who had already lived there for generations and as such already had homes??? We all know it was the European Jews who were used as the foot-soldiers to establish a Western-friendly base in the region, and settled there via dispossessing Palestinians.
Hamas is the Muslim Brotherhood. They are also democidal. They launched a deliberately sadistic rape and murder attack on civilians on October 7 in order to provoke a deadly response. By pushing their own civilian population into harms way, they can advance their political goal of destroying Israel (as they state in their Charter). They deliberately maximise civilian casualties in order to get money and support from the international community and it works. They do it because it works. Millions have rolled in via UNRWA and Islamic charities.
You see how effective their tactic is. It's terrorism not just against Israel but also against the interests of their own people.
Regardless of who perpetrated what, the grossly disproportionate military response (30,000+ Gazans vs 1200 Israelis) by the IDF against the Gazans is murderous attempt to eliminate Palestinians from Israeli territory. Alison your version of history is at variance from reality.
A barely recognisable account of the Arab-Israeli conflict which did not commence on October 7. The “solutions” suggested are bordering on the ridiculous.
The lady is out of order to lay her feelings on strangers just because of their appearance, and she clearly has issues with emotional control. However, the outpouring of anger is not surprising in the context of the pure brutal horror being inflicted on the Palestinians by Israelis that we are witnessing daily, and whose government use every ounce of propaganda effort to conflate judaism with zionism.
Your heinous justifications for this absolute massacre frankly put you in a camp with other genocidalists. There is NO justification on earth for this horrific mass murder of innocent people. And the only party who could end it today is the one with all the weaponry.
If you were gradually invaded and then imprisoned in horrid, cramped conditions by a race who thought themselves superior to you (nothing in or out without their say so, including to go to hospital), and someone managed to fight for your cause and gain leverage (hostages) and world attention, would you expel those people? I think you would probably champion them. Can you not put yourself in their shoes?
I can understand this woman’s outrage at the atrocities happening in Gaza, and I’m not sure how you can defend them to be honest. But she shouldn’t be taking it out on Australian Jews, who have no control over what Netanyahu etc. do.
I do have suspicions that there is a bit of a plan to use the horror of what Israel is doing to do something big... my suspicions is that there will be a push to give the UN more teeth when it comes to its military might. I recall Kissinger saying that Israel won’t exist anymore in ten years, so this may be part of a plan. The globalists don’t like nationalists, after all, and the Israelis are certainly that.
That being said, I think the behaviour of the Israeli government is (and has been for most of its history) abhorrent. They imprison fellow humans in an awful concentration camp (despite what their own ancestors had to endure!), then cry victim when the slaves break free and rebel. They act superior and believe themselves so. They covertly influence almost everything in the United States.
The Israelis are too rooted there to be expected to leave now, but I think they need to let go of Israel and form a new single state, where no race is supreme or favoured. A secular, tolerant society like Australia. I don’t see how else this can end even remotely fairly. Seems to me Israel would prefer to just bomb them out of
Israel and have everyone else deal with the poor people. It’s disgusting.
The killing of unarmed civilians is not called 'a war', it is rightly called genocide. By your logic, Australian's should still be slaughtering the Japanese because they bombed Darwin once. We are not, because that would be stupid and tyrannical. You are on the wrong side of history Ali.
This woman probably thought she was doing a noble thing not understanding that she is literally playing to the hands of our common enemy. Divide and conquer.
I disagree with cherry-picking and highlighting this incident - wrong as it is to blame all Jews for Israel's atrocities - and using it to defend Israel's escalating genocide of the Palestinian people.
There are numerous examples* from the mainstream press of many countries, of Netanyahu's openly announced plans, well prior to October 7, to expand further and take over more Palestinian territories. It is very clear that October 7 was no beginning of war - Israel and its creators began that over 75 years ago, with their regularly-enacted massacres of Palestinians - but merely a pretext for taking over the Gaza territory Israel has long wanted.
And we know from Israel's warring on areas where its hostages are being held - and from its treatment of them once released - that it does not especially care about Israeli hostages.
We also know that October 7 was a mere response (and not by Hamas alone - by a range of Palestinian parties) to Israel's brutal treatment of Palestinians. We also know that Israel has stepped up its brutality, dispossession and murdering in the West Bank over the last 6 months - again, this is simply not about Hamas.
As for "A major obstacle is that Hamas, a proscribed terrorist organisation whose charter calls for the violent elimination of Israel and the Jews" - well Hamas is only - and very mendaciously - described as a terrorist organisation by its foul allies, like Australia. Other parts of the world recognise that it is ridiculous and meaningless to call a legitimate governing party 'terrorist'. In Gaza, Israel is the terrorist party. International law recognises the right of occupied people to resist (it does not recognise Israel as having rights to war on Gaza).
And we need to see through the twisted line that Israel firing on hospitals means Hamas are the terrorists, had been hiding in hospitals, etc. Israel has consistently failed to present proof of this, but the reality is that if a foreign country came to a hospital where I was a patient or working, I would have the right to fire back at them from within the hospital. You cannot spin this in order to make Israel the victim here.
Re 'There never was any country called “Palestine” and the Jews are not “European colonisers who stole their land”. '
- Honestly, this is picking and misrepresentation in order to distract from larger picture. There are clearly numerous historical and map-based references to a territory called Palestine, even if it has been part of broader empires. And while prior to Israel's establishment, there were Jews living peacefully in the region, very clearly this is not what this is about. We know that Palestinians were expelled en masse from their lands and houses (the first Nakba) - pray tell why, if we are just talking about local Jews, who had already lived there for generations and as such already had homes??? We all know it was the European Jews who were used as the foot-soldiers to establish a Western-friendly base in the region, and settled there via dispossessing Palestinians.
* https://www.dw.com/en/israel-new-netanyahu-government-vows-to-expand-settlements/a-64228466
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/6/26/israel-approves-plans-for-thousands-of-illegal-settlement-homes
https://www.timesofisrael.com/pm-predicts-an-israel-transformed-in-mideast-has-no-words-for-internal-israeli-peace/ [Several weeks before Oct 7, Netanyahu publicly holds up a map without remaining Palestinian territories, advising Palestinians to just accept Israeli occupation of their lands.]
Hamas is the Muslim Brotherhood. They are also democidal. They launched a deliberately sadistic rape and murder attack on civilians on October 7 in order to provoke a deadly response. By pushing their own civilian population into harms way, they can advance their political goal of destroying Israel (as they state in their Charter). They deliberately maximise civilian casualties in order to get money and support from the international community and it works. They do it because it works. Millions have rolled in via UNRWA and Islamic charities.
You see how effective their tactic is. It's terrorism not just against Israel but also against the interests of their own people.
Regardless of who perpetrated what, the grossly disproportionate military response (30,000+ Gazans vs 1200 Israelis) by the IDF against the Gazans is murderous attempt to eliminate Palestinians from Israeli territory. Alison your version of history is at variance from reality.
A barely recognisable account of the Arab-Israeli conflict which did not commence on October 7. The “solutions” suggested are bordering on the ridiculous.
The lady is out of order to lay her feelings on strangers just because of their appearance, and she clearly has issues with emotional control. However, the outpouring of anger is not surprising in the context of the pure brutal horror being inflicted on the Palestinians by Israelis that we are witnessing daily, and whose government use every ounce of propaganda effort to conflate judaism with zionism.
Your heinous justifications for this absolute massacre frankly put you in a camp with other genocidalists. There is NO justification on earth for this horrific mass murder of innocent people. And the only party who could end it today is the one with all the weaponry.
If you were gradually invaded and then imprisoned in horrid, cramped conditions by a race who thought themselves superior to you (nothing in or out without their say so, including to go to hospital), and someone managed to fight for your cause and gain leverage (hostages) and world attention, would you expel those people? I think you would probably champion them. Can you not put yourself in their shoes?
I can understand this woman’s outrage at the atrocities happening in Gaza, and I’m not sure how you can defend them to be honest. But she shouldn’t be taking it out on Australian Jews, who have no control over what Netanyahu etc. do.
I do have suspicions that there is a bit of a plan to use the horror of what Israel is doing to do something big... my suspicions is that there will be a push to give the UN more teeth when it comes to its military might. I recall Kissinger saying that Israel won’t exist anymore in ten years, so this may be part of a plan. The globalists don’t like nationalists, after all, and the Israelis are certainly that.
That being said, I think the behaviour of the Israeli government is (and has been for most of its history) abhorrent. They imprison fellow humans in an awful concentration camp (despite what their own ancestors had to endure!), then cry victim when the slaves break free and rebel. They act superior and believe themselves so. They covertly influence almost everything in the United States.
The Israelis are too rooted there to be expected to leave now, but I think they need to let go of Israel and form a new single state, where no race is supreme or favoured. A secular, tolerant society like Australia. I don’t see how else this can end even remotely fairly. Seems to me Israel would prefer to just bomb them out of
Israel and have everyone else deal with the poor people. It’s disgusting.
The killing of unarmed civilians is not called 'a war', it is rightly called genocide. By your logic, Australian's should still be slaughtering the Japanese because they bombed Darwin once. We are not, because that would be stupid and tyrannical. You are on the wrong side of history Ali.
Wow you're on the wrong side of right and wrong here, Alison.
This woman probably thought she was doing a noble thing not understanding that she is literally playing to the hands of our common enemy. Divide and conquer.
I find it odd that you appeal to mainstream media authority on this particular issue (only?).