The whole basis for the Government taking control and issuing a mandate was that they had a ‘duty of care’ for all Australians. Now they are refuting a duty of care? It can’t go both ways.
if you have a link to where they said in a press release that they have a duty of care for all Australians, please archive it now on the WayBack Machine, or if already archived please post the link here, because although we all understood this message, they are claiming the opposite now.
Scott Morrison - “to protect and secure Australians' interests has always been a core, if not the most important objective and responsibility of the federal government.”
Where the mandates are issued by the government, it means that the government assumes a duty of care and at the same time takes responsibility for the end result of that requirement.
I'm not sure if this will be helpful: Penny Wong, Senator for SA Facebook August 27, 2020. https://fb.watch/wjtgJBedSj/
“We would be betraying our duty…” She was calling out Senator Colbeck's incompetence as Minister of Aged Care.
“More than 360 Australians have now died in residential aged care facilities on Senator Colbeck's watch.”
yes, they can say what they like but that's different to a legal duty. it will depend on law and precedent. nothing we can do but hold our breath and wait and hope
I don't have any links with those exact words. But surely the action of mandating implies duty of care. Why else could they justify mandating a medical intervention for 'public health'? (I hope it is clear from my comments that I am not in agreement with any of it. I am saying their actions are inconsistent by their own standards).
this case will hinge on precedent and interpretation of the law, however, so what the government is arguing is that the entire Australian public is too big and vague a category to have a duty of care towards, that it needs to be smaller and defined to be an actual duty of care. So it's up to the judge to interpret the law, and they are constrained by that law. The judge cannot rule against the law, so if the problem is the law, then it will be up to the politicians to change the law.
WHAT !..... what are they saying that they never said this ??? Denial ...in a fed court ....
I heard it ... but I sure as hell didn’t record it ....or ..not sure what way back Mc is... obviously court room equip ...
Duty of care - can’t go both ways ...exactly ..
Alison ...perhaps you had better release a ‘ status on this case ‘,, when you see fit, of course ... because this is just more comedy capers , with...unfortunately, peoples lives, livelihoods and lifetime health up for grabs ..
Let me know what we can do out here ... to assist in any way possible
thanks Les, well unfortunately a legally binding duty of care is different to whatever hot air the government said. We just have to wait and hope. The judge can't go against the law, they are bound to uphold it, so it will depend on what the law says.
exactly, great to see you Jeff. 100% correct. And let's remember Pfizer employees got a separate batch not checked by the TGA. What was that about? Did they get process 1 shots when everyone else got DNA contaminated process 2 ? We'll never know most likely
The depth of evil and bigger picture is seemingly incomprehensible. To which point I would prefer to be very wrong. You are probably aware of the predictions by learned people that a tsunami of deaths of those that have even had 1️⃣ shot within 3-5 years 🤷♂️
I just looked at the article, and realised it’s one of yours that I haven’t got to read yet! So I made a few comments there, in my future!
RSV and covid jabs-of course! And no, I’d never heard of RSV before all this rubbish, and I do have an adult son. You’d think I’d have heard of it when he was little, but no!
Yes, I know, but sorry, I can’t “like” this comment Alison! But, a question, no matter how naive it sounds-what are they pumping out? Covid jabs, or jabs for the “next” pandemic?
I’ll admit I haven’t looked at your link because I don’t want to, but I’ll look now. 🙁
The penalties for malfeasance have actually been known to be nearly as severe Bro.
Nuremberg 2.0 would be justified imo, however if Nuremberg were all it was supposed to be then we wouldn’t be in this fine mess.
The work of Unit 731 was continued by the DOD as the work of say IG Faben is continuing under Monsanto/Bayerof whom Billy G is a significant shareholder 🤔
How is it possible that the Australian government and associated persons and regulators don’t owe a duty of care to ALL AUSTRALIANS? Especially when the vaccine was mandated and coerced.
it's a point of law and will be decided by precedent cases. The law is not always what people think it is. as i understand it, there is precedent for saying that a duty of care has to be restricted to a specific group, otherwise you could say: you've got a duty of care to the whole world! that's how i understand the argument they are making. It will be up to the legal experts to decide whether it applies here or not, since the citizens of the country who were told to take the product are the specific group that is everyone except children and a few exceptions. The whole country is full of potentially injured people. But then - if the government is not responsible, well who is? nobody?
If they wish to claim dominion over everyone during the pandemic, and overrule personal rights, then they must also accept the responsibility for the consequences.
What?? The Govt claims 'no duty of care' yet they are the ones who authorise the TGA, doctors, and health officials? No way they can use this as an excuse! If they do so, then that means the TGA, licenses to practice medicine, the WHOLE medical system has no validation as no one is responsible for ANY decisions!
It will be interesting to see what the Judge Katzmann says about this ... my bet is that the Govt lawyers will squirm every which way to prove the Govt had no responsibility!!!
But if she doesn't find them guilty, then that surely means the end of our medical system.
I personally read Pfizer's lengthy documents (they were available online at one time) right at the start of this fiasco, and Pfizer stated that their 'experimental Covid injection' ...did not stop infection or transmission but that it did transfect!
Now if little humble old me could find and read that, then what excuse does Greg Hunt or any of those named (who were in a position of authority and responsibility) have? The answer is: NONE!!!
PS. Remember that Moderna bragged that their injection could be 'reprogrammed at a later date' ... this claim seems to have vanished from their website. At one time it was on their main page!!!
"I personally read Pfizer's lengthy documents (they were available online at one time) right at the start of this fiasco, and Pfizer stated that their 'experimental Covid injection' ...did not stop infection or transmission but that it did transfect!" Brilliant thanks....this was the smoking gun right from the very onset....AND it was on numerous experts "independent media"...I mentioned it a NSW Council of Civil Liberties too....not long after I ended up "off the Committee" for whatever reason?
I watched the hearing live and felt very sorry for the plaintiff Barrister who had to deal with documents that he agreed were poor and sections of which he agreed should be struck out. The judge claimed that the plantiffs failed to provide her requested Glossary, making her irritated from the beginning.
The duty of those calling a class action is to conform to Court Rules, anticipate how a pleading will be received by a judge and assist the judge with “Authorities”. I looked at the documents submitted and certainly the Defendant lawyers went through very well indeed. You and I don’t know how much the Solicitors and Barrister are being paid on either side of the case. My only legal qualification is Law of Negligence.
Remember that doctors are STILL currently recommending and giving 'Covid' injections. Some up to their NINTH injection ... barely alive with cancer and other maladies. They are told the jab will 'keep them safe' .....
Until they recognise the harm,and allow doctors to recognise and be willing to provide suitable treatment, those of us injured and those bereaved will never get the help we desperatelyneed,until they acknowledge us and the deaths and injuries, harm caused the medical system is leaving us to hopelessly fend for ourselves.This has been a neverending nightmare. May Justice Prevail 🙏🙏
‘The Vaccination Station Booster’, rrodynmac. It used to have a huge following when it was the Vaccination Station only - Facebook may have given it the boot. I posted there for 3 or 4 months before being shown the door. The debates were very heated. One thing I did notice when I was in the larger group was the lack of compassion and empathy for those who were injured - even for the bereaved at times. In TVS Booster the other day I mentioned a couple who had lost their daughter to one shot (Katie Lees) and someone laughed; so, the newer group is really no different to the original one, full of heartless individuals who are really there for reassurance and consolation in my opinion. Some experts think that there is a diminished level of empathy (at the prefrontal cortex) in many of the vaccinated. I’m not so sure. People eventually show their true colours I guess, not that I’m perfect.
Hmm. Thanks for that explanation David. I have heard of this diminished level of empathy, and I don’t know what to think of it. I think of those “temperature scanners” at hospitals and some G.P’s. I’ve sat near many of these things, and not once have I heard the machine say anything but “normal temperature, blah, blah”, so what are these machines really doing? I rush past them when I encounter them. But people in general are becoming more pushy, in places like shopping centres and on the road. But maybe that’s normal this time of year.
Canada never had a 3 billion dollar vaccine injured fund before the Covid-19 mandates. Looks like they knew deaths and injuries is part of the mandates
Not sure what kind of relief one can expect from a captured court system, nevertheless like the German lawyers who opposed National Socialist tyranny (ultimately ineffectually), this case is girded with the same delight in righteous action. I applaud you for making the attempt and we shall see if this "Justice" has a heart or just an empty black void.
Eh? And this was forced on us by those who claim they had no duty of care? Why were we constantly told the government enforced mandates were to keep us safe? If the government has no duty of care, why should we pay tax?
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If the leader of the TGA, Health Department, etcetera, don't have a duty of care, their authority to decide anything and claim it is for the good of Australian citizens is completely duplicitous. Even by allowing the case to be argued in this way on their behalf, these men expose their corruption, selfishness, and outrageous evasion of responsibility.
I have linked to this excellent article of yours in the post below, which is my response to this mockery of the law and the social contract:
The whole basis for the Government taking control and issuing a mandate was that they had a ‘duty of care’ for all Australians. Now they are refuting a duty of care? It can’t go both ways.
if you have a link to where they said in a press release that they have a duty of care for all Australians, please archive it now on the WayBack Machine, or if already archived please post the link here, because although we all understood this message, they are claiming the opposite now.
Scott Morrison - “to protect and secure Australians' interests has always been a core, if not the most important objective and responsibility of the federal government.”
February 01, 2021
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/pm-outlines-critical-changes-to-aged-care-mental-health-and-indigenous-support/video/3965eea1645cad87f8d592fee5995cb1
Where the mandates are issued by the government, it means that the government assumes a duty of care and at the same time takes responsibility for the end result of that requirement.
I'm not sure if this will be helpful: Penny Wong, Senator for SA Facebook August 27, 2020. https://fb.watch/wjtgJBedSj/
“We would be betraying our duty…” She was calling out Senator Colbeck's incompetence as Minister of Aged Care.
“More than 360 Australians have now died in residential aged care facilities on Senator Colbeck's watch.”
yes, they can say what they like but that's different to a legal duty. it will depend on law and precedent. nothing we can do but hold our breath and wait and hope
How naïve of me – I thought the position comes with responsibility.
I’m not gonna hold my breath Alison!
How to state the obvious from Scott Morrison. The man’s a walking joke.
And the feds let the States take responsibility for these jabs, and all that go with them.
Good refs though DaK !
I don't have any links with those exact words. But surely the action of mandating implies duty of care. Why else could they justify mandating a medical intervention for 'public health'? (I hope it is clear from my comments that I am not in agreement with any of it. I am saying their actions are inconsistent by their own standards).
this case will hinge on precedent and interpretation of the law, however, so what the government is arguing is that the entire Australian public is too big and vague a category to have a duty of care towards, that it needs to be smaller and defined to be an actual duty of care. So it's up to the judge to interpret the law, and they are constrained by that law. The judge cannot rule against the law, so if the problem is the law, then it will be up to the politicians to change the law.
I’ve got a headache now Alison!
WHAT !..... what are they saying that they never said this ??? Denial ...in a fed court ....
I heard it ... but I sure as hell didn’t record it ....or ..not sure what way back Mc is... obviously court room equip ...
Duty of care - can’t go both ways ...exactly ..
Alison ...perhaps you had better release a ‘ status on this case ‘,, when you see fit, of course ... because this is just more comedy capers , with...unfortunately, peoples lives, livelihoods and lifetime health up for grabs ..
Let me know what we can do out here ... to assist in any way possible
Cheering ...not ...Les Kraft , is Les Catterwell
thanks Les, well unfortunately a legally binding duty of care is different to whatever hot air the government said. We just have to wait and hope. The judge can't go against the law, they are bound to uphold it, so it will depend on what the law says.
The establishment officials who were exempted from taking the experimental gene sauce should be remembered and disclosed, lest we forget.
exactly, great to see you Jeff. 100% correct. And let's remember Pfizer employees got a separate batch not checked by the TGA. What was that about? Did they get process 1 shots when everyone else got DNA contaminated process 2 ? We'll never know most likely
Amen brother.
This is clearly a sign of bad faith.
You need to take this untested chemical ...
but I won't be.
For a minute I thought your comment said the officials should be dismembered and closed, Jeffo!
The depth of evil and bigger picture is seemingly incomprehensible. To which point I would prefer to be very wrong. You are probably aware of the predictions by learned people that a tsunami of deaths of those that have even had 1️⃣ shot within 3-5 years 🤷♂️
Yes I’ve heard this. 😡
hopefully those predictions are completely wrong. The human body is very resilient and has a wonderful capacity for healing if people just stop injecting. The new Factory is up in Melbourne pumping out product, however https://lettersfromaustralia.substack.com/p/blood-money-government-cheers-2-billion
I just looked at the article, and realised it’s one of yours that I haven’t got to read yet! So I made a few comments there, in my future!
RSV and covid jabs-of course! And no, I’d never heard of RSV before all this rubbish, and I do have an adult son. You’d think I’d have heard of it when he was little, but no!
Yes, I know, but sorry, I can’t “like” this comment Alison! But, a question, no matter how naive it sounds-what are they pumping out? Covid jabs, or jabs for the “next” pandemic?
I’ll admit I haven’t looked at your link because I don’t want to, but I’ll look now. 🙁
I’m volunteering for that job ...
The penalties for malfeasance have actually been known to be nearly as severe Bro.
Nuremberg 2.0 would be justified imo, however if Nuremberg were all it was supposed to be then we wouldn’t be in this fine mess.
The work of Unit 731 was continued by the DOD as the work of say IG Faben is continuing under Monsanto/Bayerof whom Billy G is a significant shareholder 🤔
I’m BIG on Nuremberg 2.0 ....
We are going to need a lot of Rope !
Cheers
Les
I’ve got to admit I don’t know of Unit 731, but I can guess. I don’t know of IG Faben either.
One thing I do know is I’m a Shiela! Don’t worry about it though, many people think I’m male-my username isn’t very clear!
..hmmm , a Sheila .... our US based friends would have N F I with that phrase thrown in .... lol...
Hi Les, I don’t get what you’re saying!
N f i .... no. F. Idea
You say ...I’m a Sheila ‘ .... arnt there quite a few septic tanks ( yanks ), on these threads ?
They wouldn’t know what a Sheila is .... ( unless they were Paul Hogan fans )
****. Any news on the McCann case yet**** .... it’s about 3:30:pm Friday here ... much appreciated
How is it possible that the Australian government and associated persons and regulators don’t owe a duty of care to ALL AUSTRALIANS? Especially when the vaccine was mandated and coerced.
it's a point of law and will be decided by precedent cases. The law is not always what people think it is. as i understand it, there is precedent for saying that a duty of care has to be restricted to a specific group, otherwise you could say: you've got a duty of care to the whole world! that's how i understand the argument they are making. It will be up to the legal experts to decide whether it applies here or not, since the citizens of the country who were told to take the product are the specific group that is everyone except children and a few exceptions. The whole country is full of potentially injured people. But then - if the government is not responsible, well who is? nobody?
If they wish to claim dominion over everyone during the pandemic, and overrule personal rights, then they must also accept the responsibility for the consequences.
The ‘don’t owe a duty of care to all [employees] [visitors] [guests] [patrons] [children] [occupants] Australians’ line. 😂
See how that goes in your next public liability case lawsuit! They are doing it out in the daylight people!! Wake up!!
Passive, nonviolent, civil strikes. You have no options left.
What?? The Govt claims 'no duty of care' yet they are the ones who authorise the TGA, doctors, and health officials? No way they can use this as an excuse! If they do so, then that means the TGA, licenses to practice medicine, the WHOLE medical system has no validation as no one is responsible for ANY decisions!
It will be interesting to see what the Judge Katzmann says about this ... my bet is that the Govt lawyers will squirm every which way to prove the Govt had no responsibility!!!
But if she doesn't find them guilty, then that surely means the end of our medical system.
I personally read Pfizer's lengthy documents (they were available online at one time) right at the start of this fiasco, and Pfizer stated that their 'experimental Covid injection' ...did not stop infection or transmission but that it did transfect!
Now if little humble old me could find and read that, then what excuse does Greg Hunt or any of those named (who were in a position of authority and responsibility) have? The answer is: NONE!!!
PS. Remember that Moderna bragged that their injection could be 'reprogrammed at a later date' ... this claim seems to have vanished from their website. At one time it was on their main page!!!
yes that is the mRNA nightmare - to plug in whatever gene sequence is wanted at the time to the mRNA platform. It's still the dream.
WayBack machine has copies of a lot of that stuff.
Is the Pfizer lengthy document you mean this one? submitted to the TGA?
Pfizer Nonclinical Evaluation Report BNT162b2 [mRNA] COVID-19 vaccine
https://www.tga.gov.au/sites/default/files/foi-2389-06.pdf
This is a keeper! I’ve never used the WayBack machine. I must have a go. Yes, thanks for that link Alison!
Thanks for the link Alison xoxo
"I personally read Pfizer's lengthy documents (they were available online at one time) right at the start of this fiasco, and Pfizer stated that their 'experimental Covid injection' ...did not stop infection or transmission but that it did transfect!" Brilliant thanks....this was the smoking gun right from the very onset....AND it was on numerous experts "independent media"...I mentioned it a NSW Council of Civil Liberties too....not long after I ended up "off the Committee" for whatever reason?
I watched the hearing live and felt very sorry for the plaintiff Barrister who had to deal with documents that he agreed were poor and sections of which he agreed should be struck out. The judge claimed that the plantiffs failed to provide her requested Glossary, making her irritated from the beginning.
The duty of those calling a class action is to conform to Court Rules, anticipate how a pleading will be received by a judge and assist the judge with “Authorities”. I looked at the documents submitted and certainly the Defendant lawyers went through very well indeed. You and I don’t know how much the Solicitors and Barrister are being paid on either side of the case. My only legal qualification is Law of Negligence.
sorry it's an ongoing legal case, have to delete
sorry cannot comment on the judge, it's a legal case.
Fair call Alison ...
Remember that doctors are STILL currently recommending and giving 'Covid' injections. Some up to their NINTH injection ... barely alive with cancer and other maladies. They are told the jab will 'keep them safe' .....
"Two weeks to flatten the curve...."
precisely
We need to show doctors and other injectors that nothing will keep them safe! 😡
Until they recognise the harm,and allow doctors to recognise and be willing to provide suitable treatment, those of us injured and those bereaved will never get the help we desperatelyneed,until they acknowledge us and the deaths and injuries, harm caused the medical system is leaving us to hopelessly fend for ourselves.This has been a neverending nightmare. May Justice Prevail 🙏🙏
i am so so so sorry for what has happened and I hope beyond measure you will be healed
Just keep going and keep praying-there are millions with you fiona. 🙂
Thank you, Alison. Now shared on Dr Tess Lawrie’s latest Substack post, where the injections are discussed.
thanks Dave much appreciated
Thanks, Alison. I’m in a big debate in Facebook atm, on the page of TVS Booster: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0i1xbTFeeVmYuWVR7sPQEjqh8kRfbYo8w2v7GwPgbogYWhAxnVQG3fpf58TgHBRZml&id=61552863939303
Do you know what TVS stands for David? I could make some things up
‘The Vaccination Station Booster’, rrodynmac. It used to have a huge following when it was the Vaccination Station only - Facebook may have given it the boot. I posted there for 3 or 4 months before being shown the door. The debates were very heated. One thing I did notice when I was in the larger group was the lack of compassion and empathy for those who were injured - even for the bereaved at times. In TVS Booster the other day I mentioned a couple who had lost their daughter to one shot (Katie Lees) and someone laughed; so, the newer group is really no different to the original one, full of heartless individuals who are really there for reassurance and consolation in my opinion. Some experts think that there is a diminished level of empathy (at the prefrontal cortex) in many of the vaccinated. I’m not so sure. People eventually show their true colours I guess, not that I’m perfect.
Hmm. Thanks for that explanation David. I have heard of this diminished level of empathy, and I don’t know what to think of it. I think of those “temperature scanners” at hospitals and some G.P’s. I’ve sat near many of these things, and not once have I heard the machine say anything but “normal temperature, blah, blah”, so what are these machines really doing? I rush past them when I encounter them. But people in general are becoming more pushy, in places like shopping centres and on the road. But maybe that’s normal this time of year.
Good on you for taking on TVS Booster!
Thanks, rrodynmac. Just my thoughts.
Those scanners are a worry.
Empaths look at the data.
Canada never had a 3 billion dollar vaccine injured fund before the Covid-19 mandates. Looks like they knew deaths and injuries is part of the mandates
A legal kill box. No one will ever be held responsible. Vaccine injuries may as well be a force majeure.
There are a lot of us who could do the impossible! United we stand!
I liked your comment.../ but doesn’t mean I think it’s lawful .... thanks for it
Dolly boy that is ...
Not sure what kind of relief one can expect from a captured court system, nevertheless like the German lawyers who opposed National Socialist tyranny (ultimately ineffectually), this case is girded with the same delight in righteous action. I applaud you for making the attempt and we shall see if this "Justice" has a heart or just an empty black void.
one lives in hope
And the cowardly Scott Morrison
Who opened the federal Medicare register to the states do they could tick names off
Now swanning the world working for the US DOD which ran the operation
Just leaves with zero responsibility and zero care
They must be held to account
If not by us, by God. Scott Morrison is a coward indeed. And he pretends to be Christian! No Christian could do what he did to Australia.
God will judge you “ScoMo”-in front of us all! And this “Christian” must have no idea what awaits him-a fool indeed!
Eh? And this was forced on us by those who claim they had no duty of care? Why were we constantly told the government enforced mandates were to keep us safe? If the government has no duty of care, why should we pay tax?
that's a great point. that is the remedy perhaps.
Contact this Aussie-Michael Ginsberg-he has ideas: email michael@actionabletruth.media
website: https://actionabletruth.substack.com/
You can just ask how can you help, or give him your ideas, sounds like you have good ideas! He’ll listen!
There’s good info in his notes
https://rumble.com/v5vdpsn-covid-under-question.html?e9s=rel_v2_pr
Senator Malcolm Roberts hosts his third inquiry into the COVID response, bringing together international experts for compelling insights and new developments that add to the call for a COVID Royal Commission.
Features comments by Maverick USA Senator Ron Johnson.
wonderful link thank you Billy
Good stuff...Ian Brighthope.... is a bright hope ....thanks for posting
Dear Alison,
If the leader of the TGA, Health Department, etcetera, don't have a duty of care, their authority to decide anything and claim it is for the good of Australian citizens is completely duplicitous. Even by allowing the case to be argued in this way on their behalf, these men expose their corruption, selfishness, and outrageous evasion of responsibility.
I have linked to this excellent article of yours in the post below, which is my response to this mockery of the law and the social contract:
https://firstfactcheck.substack.com/p/australian-government-claims-it-does
thank you so much