Yes - we were all asleep and thought they were doing their job. But the price of freedom is we cant leave it to others anymore we all have to join and be involved
Its no good complaining we have to fix it by ourselves. There is no cavalry coming to save us,.we.will only get what we build
Stephen Blanks: "...in other words the European model doesn’t concentrate power solely in the government regulators, it is democratic in that the courts have the ultimate say".
Oh, you mean like the courts in Australia, which failed to protect the community from mandatory vaccinations, which failed to acknowledge the obligation of medical practitioners to obtain voluntary informed consent for medical interventions, including vaccination.
Yes as in the institution he likes because he is a lae man and familiar with how it works. It is just as Mike Bemz said about the US foreign policy blob. When they say "our democracy" they mean the institutions they influence, peopled with their cultural tribe. They do not mean "the will of the citizens.expressed by a vote". They hate citizens and despise the working class as cattle to be managed by them. The want to be international elites unbounded by nation states
How do we stop this Alison, this never-ending tide of legislation being put in place to control us?!
Politicians and bureaucrats and others ruling our lives - without our informed consent!
We must pushback against these tyrants, make them accountable for the damage they're inflicting on the community.
'Covid' for instance...the biggest crime of all time.
And elections taking place without this debacle being critically reviewed.
All the major parties are implicated. Elections which have taken place without exposure of the damaging actions undertaken by the members of these parties are not legitimate in my view.
join civil society groups like the NSW CCL and FSU, and Australians for Science and Freedom, AMPS, Coverse, and the Aligned Councils etc- these groups can help us
and support coverse
and talk to your local Ward Councillors too they are for your street and your area - you can get them on board with Port Hedland's council motion. That will be wonderful to have some councils backing them up
..Yes , indeed , the City of Charles Sturt , here in Adelaides west , has already confirmed their willingness to , and I quote --- ‘ they can assist you , ( us) , with any , ( repeat ANY ), COVID enquiries you may have . !
Wow, I’m in , boots and all -
And at the appropriate time, I’ll hand deliver ALL, and ANY Covid enquiries , thank you Port Headland - directly to Health Minister Butlers office - , whom is my federal Minister , ( for National Health no less ) ....
There is hood, Elizabeth... the Calvary approaches ... Alison & Elizabeth ... pls keep going , I sense a seismic shift in this hard slog of 4 years ...
I try to speak to people within my neighborhood that I interact with on a daily basis. But so far, these issues are not registering much at the lowest level. There isn't yet much interest. Things may have to get worse first.
In my area, because of a wind farm proposal, some of the people against it are setting up a ratepayers association (almost ready) so that like minded people can lobby the council together including on the Port Hedland thing
Its stopped in part by word of mouth & telling everyone you can..everywhere you can ..it is VV powerful.....that is why they want to be able to silence speech they don't like by prosecuting it as "Misinformation etc"..how long before the offer to pay "informants".....a great great way is get a few folks & hold up banners in town square &/or outside MPs offices on main roads etc exposing them ...to COST THEM VOTES ...they won't like voting the "party line" if they are up for losing MP's income & more importantly their FAT Parliamentary Pension! The won't meet up, they won't respond to letters,....the only thing I think that works, is threatening their individual "meal tickets".
it's best to start local, in our area in our council. Our mistake is we try to ask nationally for them to listen - no point doing that. got to start local
I am very pessimistic that this can be stopped - it is way too late. We trusted our politicians, government agencies and bureaucrats too much and for too long and the 4th estate, the media, is completely compromised and manages to divide society in all of this.
My personal approach is to prepare for a totalitarian state, enjoy life as long it is still free and then use non-violent nonparticipation in all public matters as a protest. Sabotage the system until it collapses by itself. I witnessed the collapse of former East Germany and talked to some of them after the wall came down. That's exactly what brought the system down there. People stopped to actively participate and engage with the totalitarian part of the society. Big black markets for everything and people simply dragged their feet until the system went bankrupt.
More active protests could be defunding. People stop paying taxes in great numbers as protest but they already took that choice away for most employed people.
A certain attitude of none compliance and people need to stop being polite to enforcers of totalitarian rules under the excuse that these guys simply follow orders or have a job to do. If someone works for a totalitarian organisation we shouldn't feel sorry for them or respect them. We don't need to be aggressive or hostile - just let them know every time, over and over again, that we do not agree, that we simply go along because they force us to do so but that doesn't mean we agree, consent or approve. To the contrary.
But the first step is for millions of people to even wake up to this. Most don't know or don't want to know. It will be a long and painful process.
True individual spirituality that can't be manipulated can be a great source of strengths and joy in these testing times to come.
Genuine loving families and communities will be the backbone of the resistance.
We took things for granted and fell asleep on the wheel.
The vultures circling everywhere now, hungry for more power and greed.
we can. it's actually easy to fix but you just can't complain about it you have to actually join up and get involved. That means leaving the house and going to a meeting in a room of people that disagree with you, and putting your case to them. People don't tend to do that but we must. It's not about convincing others, it's about YOU doing it. Nobody is coming to your rescue
I was not politically engaged pre 2020 and when the lockdown (2 weeks to flatten the curve) happened in 2020 I went looking for an organisation that supported Civil Liberties. I got very excited when I came across the QLD Council for Civil Liberties. That excitement soon evaporated when it quickly became clear that they saw me as of no value, I had no fancy letters after my name therefore in their view I had nothing to offer. It was also very quickly, very clear that they were following the Government line and yes the translation of their correspondence to me echoed your conclusion in regards the NSW Council for Civil Liberties “we’re the experts, shut up.”
When I saw that the submissions in regards the Censorship Bill that the QLD Council for Civil Liberties and the NSW Council for Civil Liberties made and noted the similarities between the two it caused me concern, when I saw they were both asked to present to the Enquiry Committee my heart sank.
Both these organisations are inappropriately named. They do not stand for the most basic of Civil Liberties "Free Speech." They should be renamed Council for Government Liberties.
Yes i get the feeling from the nswccl that they highly value legal degrees and perhaps dont value ordinary folk. However they do a lot of submission work requiring legal expertise so in some sense that is understandable. But at the end of the day what good is expertise if they abandon their core function.
I would add that it's not just "we’re the experts, shut up” but “we’re the government-approved experts, shut up.” I'm thinking of experts such as Dr. Aaron Kheriatry of UC Irvine, Dr. Harvey Risch of Yale University, and so many more who have affiliations and degrees and even whole careers at top universities, and nonetheless, when they questioned or criticized covid policy, they got brutally censored.
Civil liberties councils only ever existed to further the left’s agenda. Free speech against the established order was valorised and some push back from reactionaries was tolerated. Now that the left’s policies have been fully realised, these organs cannot be relied upon to resist the pulling up of the drawbridge. They are likely to be well-infiltrated by communists, Fabians and other well-coordinated schemers.
there may be an element of truth in that, but we need the left to change course and protect free speech, it's not going to be saved if it becomes a partisan issue only campaigned for by the right.
Well, classical liberals probably support free speech but are currently underrepresented in such organisations. We need to convert these entities to our ends, or replace them with our own, and it will only be people with a good understanding of the political landscape who will be bothered to attempt to do so. I dont see help coming from the left since their new orthodoxy is NOT freedom of speech but rather freedom from offence. It sounds as though the vetting process to join is deisgned to neutralise potential opposition to the leftists. I am not too far to the right of Edmund Bourke and I’d be willing to join. I’ll see how it goes but I suspect growing the Free Speech Union will be more fruitful.
Thank you, Alison. Imperial College London and the WHO have a lot to answer for. Stanford University had been compiling seroprevalence data since mid 2020, and their surveys from there became all the more comprehensive after the rollouts of the injections. 1 January 2023: “The median [pre-vaccination] IFR was 0.0003% at 0–19 years, 0.002% at 20–29 years, 0.011% at 30–39 years, 0.035% at 40–49 years, 0.123% at 50–59 years, and 0.506% at 60–69 years.”
‘Age-stratified infection fatality rate of COVID-19 in the non-elderly population’ (1 January 2023). Professor John Ioannidis (Stanford University) et al.
Yes indeed correct. I quoted the same study for under 60s median ifr. That is how we were tricked. A combo of Neil Ferguson, WHO exaggeration and failure to communicate the age-dependent risk levels
That was forest of the fallen. All we had to document them was jab injuries australia, and forest of the fallen to stick the stories physically on stakes so we could show people
Thank you for this post, and for bringing the motion. It would seems the NSW Council for Civil Liberties should be disbanded. Who is to decide what is misinformation? Stephen Banks? Josh Pallas? The people who want this power eare the very people who should not have it. They couldn't tell their arse from their elbow, let alone decide the truth. Safe and effective.
NsW CCL do a lot of good work you dont see. They are very hard working and put submissions on a lot of legislation that is complex and technical. They deserve the infkuence they have and are indispensibke. But they just have to remember what their core mission is and come back to it
Thank you for sharing this! It’s a pity Christopher Hutchins had to put the boot into religion at the half way mark. It’s simply tragic how his anger at God muddled his thinking. But on freedom of speech he is a great advocate, and now it is our turn. Of the 10 members who support basic civil liberties, it might be time to submit 10 separate individual submissions opposing the bill! And to unite with politicians who push back like Andrew Wilkie, Senator Rennick, Robert’s and the Coalition
With all due respect to you may be being a member of the NSW CCL, they and all their like organisations around Australia ceased to be relevant when they were all completely mute when it came to the stomping on civil liberties during COVID.
IMO the only value this organisation has is so ambitious people can pad their resumes by being members.
There is an element of that with the young students i think as it looks good on the resume for future careers in politics and law. They want to be on the elevator up. But there are people with ideals in there too so they are not a lost cause
A lot like the Human Rights Commission saw nothing wrong with Forced Injections.
Well done to all involved in revealing this facade of an organisation.
Perhaps this can be an impetus for all of the other State Civil Liberty Organisations to come out in support of your motion and/or be against the Misinformation Bill in the hope of restoring credibility to the overall organisation. Hopefully they aren’t as captured by fools like in NSW, however if they are the same as NSW, it’s better to know about their stupidity/treachery sooner rather than later. It’s too serious of an issue and the stakes are extremely high. Imagine giving power over speech and future generations to some unelected bureaucrats and the courts…Insanity!!!
there are a lot of good people at the NSW CCL so hopefully this will give them the impetus they need to change direction. We really need everyone to help save these precious rights
These people are our countrymen who disagree with us
ie the exact people we need to be having dialogue with and talking to, by joining their institutions and turning up and then changing them through our logic, facts, science and most of all our presence.
Thanks Alison for posting this and to you and the others for having turned up and tried. Can’t have been easy to have walked amongst the deliberately misinformed and to witness their morally-bankrupt pantomime first hand.
The transcript makes for dismal reading.
Shelves full of books and no soul, it’s almost possible to feel sorry for them in the knowledge that somewhere and in some timeline, karma will be waiting. It’s the universe they have to answer to, not us. Meanwhile, 18 people know what they just did with their vote.
Appalling news. But in line with so much else that has come with this covidian catastrophe. On the other hand, I am heartened to see this new Australian Free Speech Union. If it's anything like the UK's FSU, it will do a great things for Australians.
The NSW Council for Civil Liberties is to free speech what AHPRA is to health care. All our institutions have been captured.
Yes - we were all asleep and thought they were doing their job. But the price of freedom is we cant leave it to others anymore we all have to join and be involved
Its no good complaining we have to fix it by ourselves. There is no cavalry coming to save us,.we.will only get what we build
1,000%
, correct , Mat ... so what is our strategy to free them from this capture ...
We have witnessed what that meant with AHPRA , in terms of many thousands of dead & injured Aussies ...
Stephen Blanks: "...in other words the European model doesn’t concentrate power solely in the government regulators, it is democratic in that the courts have the ultimate say".
Oh, you mean like the courts in Australia, which failed to protect the community from mandatory vaccinations, which failed to acknowledge the obligation of medical practitioners to obtain voluntary informed consent for medical interventions, including vaccination.
Yes as in the institution he likes because he is a lae man and familiar with how it works. It is just as Mike Bemz said about the US foreign policy blob. When they say "our democracy" they mean the institutions they influence, peopled with their cultural tribe. They do not mean "the will of the citizens.expressed by a vote". They hate citizens and despise the working class as cattle to be managed by them. The want to be international elites unbounded by nation states
How do we stop this Alison, this never-ending tide of legislation being put in place to control us?!
Politicians and bureaucrats and others ruling our lives - without our informed consent!
We must pushback against these tyrants, make them accountable for the damage they're inflicting on the community.
'Covid' for instance...the biggest crime of all time.
And elections taking place without this debacle being critically reviewed.
All the major parties are implicated. Elections which have taken place without exposure of the damaging actions undertaken by the members of these parties are not legitimate in my view.
This major scandal for example... Coercion, intimidation and mandates preclude voluntary informed consent for vaccination. There has been no valid consent for COVID-19 vaccination: https://elizabethhart.substack.com/p/coercion-intimidation-and-mandates
join civil society groups like the NSW CCL and FSU, and Australians for Science and Freedom, AMPS, Coverse, and the Aligned Councils etc- these groups can help us
and support coverse
and talk to your local Ward Councillors too they are for your street and your area - you can get them on board with Port Hedland's council motion. That will be wonderful to have some councils backing them up
......x....there is hope
..Yes , indeed , the City of Charles Sturt , here in Adelaides west , has already confirmed their willingness to , and I quote --- ‘ they can assist you , ( us) , with any , ( repeat ANY ), COVID enquiries you may have . !
Wow, I’m in , boots and all -
And at the appropriate time, I’ll hand deliver ALL, and ANY Covid enquiries , thank you Port Headland - directly to Health Minister Butlers office - , whom is my federal Minister , ( for National Health no less ) ....
There is hood, Elizabeth... the Calvary approaches ... Alison & Elizabeth ... pls keep going , I sense a seismic shift in this hard slog of 4 years ...
"How do we stop this Alison, this never-ending tide of legislation being put in place to control us?!"
Great question, wish I knew the answer.
start local - your council, your street, your ward. Your local council can send a letter to back up Port Hedland council
I try to speak to people within my neighborhood that I interact with on a daily basis. But so far, these issues are not registering much at the lowest level. There isn't yet much interest. Things may have to get worse first.
Good on you for trying!
Local councillors can send a letter, but the council is a corporation with a CEO who reports to someone much higher up than us.
Don’t forget the mayor’s convention, whatever it’s called. COP or C something else, IDK!
In my area, because of a wind farm proposal, some of the people against it are setting up a ratepayers association (almost ready) so that like minded people can lobby the council together including on the Port Hedland thing
Its stopped in part by word of mouth & telling everyone you can..everywhere you can ..it is VV powerful.....that is why they want to be able to silence speech they don't like by prosecuting it as "Misinformation etc"..how long before the offer to pay "informants".....a great great way is get a few folks & hold up banners in town square &/or outside MPs offices on main roads etc exposing them ...to COST THEM VOTES ...they won't like voting the "party line" if they are up for losing MP's income & more importantly their FAT Parliamentary Pension! The won't meet up, they won't respond to letters,....the only thing I think that works, is threatening their individual "meal tickets".
it's best to start local, in our area in our council. Our mistake is we try to ask nationally for them to listen - no point doing that. got to start local
I am very pessimistic that this can be stopped - it is way too late. We trusted our politicians, government agencies and bureaucrats too much and for too long and the 4th estate, the media, is completely compromised and manages to divide society in all of this.
My personal approach is to prepare for a totalitarian state, enjoy life as long it is still free and then use non-violent nonparticipation in all public matters as a protest. Sabotage the system until it collapses by itself. I witnessed the collapse of former East Germany and talked to some of them after the wall came down. That's exactly what brought the system down there. People stopped to actively participate and engage with the totalitarian part of the society. Big black markets for everything and people simply dragged their feet until the system went bankrupt.
More active protests could be defunding. People stop paying taxes in great numbers as protest but they already took that choice away for most employed people.
A certain attitude of none compliance and people need to stop being polite to enforcers of totalitarian rules under the excuse that these guys simply follow orders or have a job to do. If someone works for a totalitarian organisation we shouldn't feel sorry for them or respect them. We don't need to be aggressive or hostile - just let them know every time, over and over again, that we do not agree, that we simply go along because they force us to do so but that doesn't mean we agree, consent or approve. To the contrary.
But the first step is for millions of people to even wake up to this. Most don't know or don't want to know. It will be a long and painful process.
True individual spirituality that can't be manipulated can be a great source of strengths and joy in these testing times to come.
Genuine loving families and communities will be the backbone of the resistance.
We took things for granted and fell asleep on the wheel.
The vultures circling everywhere now, hungry for more power and greed.
we can. it's actually easy to fix but you just can't complain about it you have to actually join up and get involved. That means leaving the house and going to a meeting in a room of people that disagree with you, and putting your case to them. People don't tend to do that but we must. It's not about convincing others, it's about YOU doing it. Nobody is coming to your rescue
I was not politically engaged pre 2020 and when the lockdown (2 weeks to flatten the curve) happened in 2020 I went looking for an organisation that supported Civil Liberties. I got very excited when I came across the QLD Council for Civil Liberties. That excitement soon evaporated when it quickly became clear that they saw me as of no value, I had no fancy letters after my name therefore in their view I had nothing to offer. It was also very quickly, very clear that they were following the Government line and yes the translation of their correspondence to me echoed your conclusion in regards the NSW Council for Civil Liberties “we’re the experts, shut up.”
When I saw that the submissions in regards the Censorship Bill that the QLD Council for Civil Liberties and the NSW Council for Civil Liberties made and noted the similarities between the two it caused me concern, when I saw they were both asked to present to the Enquiry Committee my heart sank.
Both these organisations are inappropriately named. They do not stand for the most basic of Civil Liberties "Free Speech." They should be renamed Council for Government Liberties.
Yes i get the feeling from the nswccl that they highly value legal degrees and perhaps dont value ordinary folk. However they do a lot of submission work requiring legal expertise so in some sense that is understandable. But at the end of the day what good is expertise if they abandon their core function.
Totally agree.
I would add that it's not just "we’re the experts, shut up” but “we’re the government-approved experts, shut up.” I'm thinking of experts such as Dr. Aaron Kheriatry of UC Irvine, Dr. Harvey Risch of Yale University, and so many more who have affiliations and degrees and even whole careers at top universities, and nonetheless, when they questioned or criticized covid policy, they got brutally censored.
Civil liberties councils only ever existed to further the left’s agenda. Free speech against the established order was valorised and some push back from reactionaries was tolerated. Now that the left’s policies have been fully realised, these organs cannot be relied upon to resist the pulling up of the drawbridge. They are likely to be well-infiltrated by communists, Fabians and other well-coordinated schemers.
there may be an element of truth in that, but we need the left to change course and protect free speech, it's not going to be saved if it becomes a partisan issue only campaigned for by the right.
we need everyone to fix it
Well, classical liberals probably support free speech but are currently underrepresented in such organisations. We need to convert these entities to our ends, or replace them with our own, and it will only be people with a good understanding of the political landscape who will be bothered to attempt to do so. I dont see help coming from the left since their new orthodoxy is NOT freedom of speech but rather freedom from offence. It sounds as though the vetting process to join is deisgned to neutralise potential opposition to the leftists. I am not too far to the right of Edmund Bourke and I’d be willing to join. I’ll see how it goes but I suspect growing the Free Speech Union will be more fruitful.
Thank you, Alison. Imperial College London and the WHO have a lot to answer for. Stanford University had been compiling seroprevalence data since mid 2020, and their surveys from there became all the more comprehensive after the rollouts of the injections. 1 January 2023: “The median [pre-vaccination] IFR was 0.0003% at 0–19 years, 0.002% at 20–29 years, 0.011% at 30–39 years, 0.035% at 40–49 years, 0.123% at 50–59 years, and 0.506% at 60–69 years.”
‘Age-stratified infection fatality rate of COVID-19 in the non-elderly population’ (1 January 2023). Professor John Ioannidis (Stanford University) et al.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S001393512201982X?fbclid=IwAR08I3niEbtp3WoG0e1WquaGn_McJn1RxdO3Zygp_JW5l-PZAfqAF8IWV2c
Yes indeed correct. I quoted the same study for under 60s median ifr. That is how we were tricked. A combo of Neil Ferguson, WHO exaggeration and failure to communicate the age-dependent risk levels
Absolutely. As for the injections, the narrative-followers never go into the adverse events data: https://unsupervised.online/tag/covid-19/
Not to date at least. Thanks again for your work.
Seems word of mouth will be all that's left in a year or so.
Small businesses are good for word of mouth.
When the economy crashes and the big 4 banks delete cash in 2025, and force the CBDCs onto us is where the rubber meets the road.
Australians mainly vote or protest when their pocket book $$$ is affected. That is when word of mouth will become our potent asset.
That was forest of the fallen. All we had to document them was jab injuries australia, and forest of the fallen to stick the stories physically on stakes so we could show people
I think MedMan is looking ahead a bit from Forest of the fallen.
Thank you for this post, and for bringing the motion. It would seems the NSW Council for Civil Liberties should be disbanded. Who is to decide what is misinformation? Stephen Banks? Josh Pallas? The people who want this power eare the very people who should not have it. They couldn't tell their arse from their elbow, let alone decide the truth. Safe and effective.
NsW CCL do a lot of good work you dont see. They are very hard working and put submissions on a lot of legislation that is complex and technical. They deserve the infkuence they have and are indispensibke. But they just have to remember what their core mission is and come back to it
Hopefully they choose to do that.
Thank you for sharing this! It’s a pity Christopher Hutchins had to put the boot into religion at the half way mark. It’s simply tragic how his anger at God muddled his thinking. But on freedom of speech he is a great advocate, and now it is our turn. Of the 10 members who support basic civil liberties, it might be time to submit 10 separate individual submissions opposing the bill! And to unite with politicians who push back like Andrew Wilkie, Senator Rennick, Robert’s and the Coalition
With all due respect to you may be being a member of the NSW CCL, they and all their like organisations around Australia ceased to be relevant when they were all completely mute when it came to the stomping on civil liberties during COVID.
IMO the only value this organisation has is so ambitious people can pad their resumes by being members.
There is an element of that with the young students i think as it looks good on the resume for future careers in politics and law. They want to be on the elevator up. But there are people with ideals in there too so they are not a lost cause
A lot like the Human Rights Commission saw nothing wrong with Forced Injections.
Well done to all involved in revealing this facade of an organisation.
Perhaps this can be an impetus for all of the other State Civil Liberty Organisations to come out in support of your motion and/or be against the Misinformation Bill in the hope of restoring credibility to the overall organisation. Hopefully they aren’t as captured by fools like in NSW, however if they are the same as NSW, it’s better to know about their stupidity/treachery sooner rather than later. It’s too serious of an issue and the stakes are extremely high. Imagine giving power over speech and future generations to some unelected bureaucrats and the courts…Insanity!!!
there are a lot of good people at the NSW CCL so hopefully this will give them the impetus they need to change direction. We really need everyone to help save these precious rights
Great work, Alison, thank you so much.
Was it this Fed gov Bill mis/dis info, the one we only had six or seven days to make a submission?
If so, mine is not included, and I would suggest a whole lot of other’s weren’t included.
Please correct me if I’m wrong. My brain flew out the door today.
The NSW Council for Civil Liberties…
Who ARE these people.
Who are they to be impacting deleteriously on the free speech of the Australian people?
These people are our countrymen who disagree with us
ie the exact people we need to be having dialogue with and talking to, by joining their institutions and turning up and then changing them through our logic, facts, science and most of all our presence.
when we don't turn up, this is what happens
Thanks Alison for posting this and to you and the others for having turned up and tried. Can’t have been easy to have walked amongst the deliberately misinformed and to witness their morally-bankrupt pantomime first hand.
The transcript makes for dismal reading.
Shelves full of books and no soul, it’s almost possible to feel sorry for them in the knowledge that somewhere and in some timeline, karma will be waiting. It’s the universe they have to answer to, not us. Meanwhile, 18 people know what they just did with their vote.
Appalling news. But in line with so much else that has come with this covidian catastrophe. On the other hand, I am heartened to see this new Australian Free Speech Union. If it's anything like the UK's FSU, it will do a great things for Australians.
Yes it is part of the UK FSU it is australian branch. But we do need both. We need all hands on deck or we are going to lose our most precious rights
A friend says, ..."NSW Council for Civil Liberties just get basic civil rights issues wrong".