Would have thought that was pretty obvious, but anyway.... how often do the rent a mob come out and protest atrocities committed by Muslims against Christians (and anyone who isn't Muslim) ?
But I’d be careful with sites like Raymond Ibrahim’s. They frame these events in a way that blames Islam as a whole rather than extremist groups or political systems.
Filling your head with that kind of narrative isn’t just unfair to the 1.9 billion Muslims who aren’t part of any of this, it’s dangerous because it breeds religious hate and division. It’s how ordinary people get pushed into seeing entire communities as enemies
The problem is what Islam teaches and not extremist groups. It was not extemist groups attacking these women but the indonesian military. There is an Islamic dimension to this violence that comes from Islamic ideology which is expansionist, supremacist, aggressively violent and totalitarian. Islam as an ideological system is incompatible with other systems which is why non-Muslims are treated poorly under Islamic rule. It is the religious dimension that makes this colonisation so awful for Papuans, whose children are sometimes kidnapped and forced into Madrassas to ensure they are indoctrinated into Islam so as to colonise more effectively for Jakarta.
The religious hate and division is caused by the ideology of Islam and Raymond Ibrahim is a Coptic Christian from Egypt, which was entirely Christian before Islam took over. His family experienced first hand the Islamic discrimination against non-Muslims which informs his commentary.
Not all religions are the same. Islam alone has the most aggressive, colonialist,.expansionist and suptemacist ideology right now which is also explicitly political, carries its own constitution and legal system which it promotes, and which is the politically organising principle of the 56 nations of the OIC.
I am not at all squeamish about criticising Islam as it is an explicit organising principle of political power and aggression.
Why are you carrying water for it?
The story of West Papua's rape and domination cannot be accurately told without reference to Islam.
To leave the role of religion put of West Papua's story is dishonest.
The only religious hate and division is sowed by the text the Muslims worship as the immutable word of God: the Quran.
A lot of people think L. Ron Hubbard's made up religion (i.e. Scientology) is bat sh*t crazy, but when you delve into the Quran, Hubbard's a rank amateur.
The 1.9.billion Muslims worldwide have done nothing to reform Islam nor can they due to the religious imperatives not to change a word of the text and to follow the example.of Mohammad.
The world's moderate Muslims do indeed bear some responsibility for reforming Islam because if not them then who do you expect to do it? Non-Muslims?
So you're saying the immutable word of God as written in the Quran and Hadiths - many quotes referenced in the links I provided - is not true ? I'm not doing any analysis, I'm quoting what their guiding teachings say.
Most people who have lived through Islamisation of their countries, like Gad Saad, Brigitte Gabriel and Ayaan Hirsi Ali say exactly the same thing about Islam.
Is seems to me you are acting as an apologist for, as Alison said above, "Islamic ideology which is expansionist, supremacist, aggressively violent and totalitarian".
That is just a horrifying story and it's disgusting that Australia has done nothing. How are these soldiers so barbaric. No conscience no anything just hate.
Yes. Australia practices appeasement politics because we cannot defend ourselves. We have been the ‘Lucky Country’ for about 200 years now.
Why have we not been gobbled up? Who’s our ‘protector’ been? USA? And if that is so, why are Albo/Rudd/Wong strutting their disdain for the new President?
It appears they are supporting some ‘other’ potential ally. Are we going to joint the BRICS alliance?
And why shouldn’t we take Gazans? I mean, I don’t think either should be allowed to be driven off their land by the Israelis or the Indonesians (who seem to be behaving in a similar settler fashion). But why do you take it as assumed that we shouldn’t take Gazans? Because they are Muslim?
We should not take Gazans because they are the responsibility of neighbouring Arab Muslim nations with whom they share ethnicity, religion, language and culture, as well as geographical proximity.
It is self-serving cruelty pretending to be kindness to want to bring them around the world to an alien country where they will be a minority far from their relatives.
Secondly it is the Arab Muslims who began the conflict with Israel in 1947 after being given several large countries out of the Ottoman lands including Jordan, Qatar and Iraq. They again re-started that same war to destroy Israel on October 7.
Their situation is nothing like the Papuans who were invaded by an entirely alien people in 1964. The Gazans have no legitimate claim to the land of Israel that they want to rule, and which was never their country. No land was stolen from the Arab Muslims of Gaza despite their claims. The Papuans are the legitimate owners of their own native country West Papua and are being dispossessed of their native land.
So in a nutshell, that is why. I have provided historical references and gone into more detail on this in previous substacks.
has clear massive PNG hydrocarbon interests ,showing Gazan BP 12 exploratory hydrocarbon interests <20 kms from Gazan coast around day 120 from Netanyahu- are entirely relatable .
I greatly admire the oz mining concepts & that the De Beers diamond genocidists - arrestable 20 decades if they step into NY ,USA found such a welcome in the various-mining ''concessions'' around the world ,pty based in australian adresses .
West Papua has the giant Freeport McMoRan mine which Henry Kissenger once sat on the board of. The US backed Suharto against communism. Those were the 2 main reasons for the US backing Indon.
Gaza has diddly squat gas. Qatar (al Thani clan)has the largest gas reserves they are the world's biggest gas exporters and they support Muslim Brotherhood which is Hamas, thus hosting all the Hamas leaders. They also own Al Jazeera and are regulars at the WEF. Britain gave Qatar to the Arab Muslims out of Ottoman lands after ww1.
Australia is technically yes as the crown is the head of the Church of England and we are part of the commonwealth so that is also our head of state. But we have a secular constitution so we are really a secular country which is best. That means all equal under laws made by our own parliament and keep your religion a private matter
Yes but Islam is not just a religion it is a political and legal.system. it should be regarded the same way we regarded communism during the cold war as it is an enemy ideology that means to destroy our civilisation and replace it with islam. Islam is clear on this point regardless of how lax ordinary muslims are about enforcing it
We have the fruits of lots of past mistakes to learn from. Needless to say Gazans are a different case anyway. There is a reason they are not taken in by neighbouring Muslim countries.
The reason Arab Muslim neighbouring countries do not take in their Arab Muslim brothers and sisters from Gaza is because they want all the land for themselves exactly as they did in 1947 and they are using Gazan's misery as a weapon of war.
Their strategy is to make the civilians suffer and die so much that Israel, which has no choice but to fight Hamas, will be cut off from international support and eventually forced to allow millions of Arab Muslims into Israel. Which will then demographically be destroyed as the world's only Jewish state, leaving Sunni Islam in charge of Israel, which is all they want.
That is why they do not take in their brothers-in-arms. Their strategy is working.
Interesting theory and could well be true on that side. Everyone wants that land. Don’t make Israel the helpless innocents in this though. “Have no choice but to fight Hamas”. Firstly, there’s always a choice; second, Bibi was FUNDING Hamas (because it’s super useful to them as an excuse to continue their police state and for the current ethnic cleansing); third, they have the technology to be a lot more precise than they are of they just wanted Hamas, but that’s not what they want, they want to flatten Gaza, cleanse it of its people, and create greater Israel.
None of this drama with Gaza or Iran is really about religion, anyway. It’s about resources and trade routes, when you get to the heart of it. As always with war.
I have very dear Iranian friends who live in Australia. Both of their parents and families still in Iran. They consider themselves Persians and they all live Israel and the Jews and abhor the tyrannical Islamic regime that currently rules over them. Most Persians are of the Ba’hai faith or agnostic. Very FEW of them are Muslim.
I know quite a few Iranians - work with one, dated one. Yes they all call themselves Persians. What you say is somewhat true (I don’t think it’s accurate to suggest most are Ba’hai, that’s a small religion… many might say they are Zoroastrian or just secular). The girl I work with - first thing she said was, “I’ve been worrying about my family in Tehran day and night”. Second thing she said was, “but we don’t like the regime”. My ex’s uncle was imprisoned by the regime so he def doesn’t like it either. Many hate it, it’s true.
Basing our perceptions on those who disliked it enough to come to Australia is biased, however, for one thing. The regime does have its supporters as well. But regardless of that, having your family and country bombed and outsiders attempt regime change is not really likely what any sane person wants. I mean, regime change by the US doesn’t generally turn out that well. Libya is now an open slave market, for example. The Iranians need to sort things out for themselves. They don’t need foreign governments coming in, pretending to be white knights, while they eye off resources and new trade routes.
We should oppose a war there first selfish reasons too. Petrol prices would absolutely skyrocket because of the Strait of Hormuz.
Yes, two reasons. 1) The neighbouring countries don’t want to be complicit in Israel’s ethnic cleansing. Gazans shouldn’t have to leave the only home they’ve known for generations upon generations just because someone else fancies taking it by force (not in this day and age). 2) That’s a lot of people for a small handful of countries to take - a massive increase of any people all at once is destabilising to the receiving country.
Palestinians welcomed the Jews displaced after WW2 into their homes, and were repaid by being kicked out of their homes at gunpoint. Yet you suggest there is something especially evil or repugnant about these people. I think you are the one who is thick - you believe Israeli nonsense, clearly
Gaza was given to the Arab Muslims by Israel who uprooted all their people and left 15 years ago. The Arab Muslims have no claim to Gaza because they started a war, lost it and Hamas still refuse to surrender so the war drags on. They could have built a Singapore on the Mediterranean but didn’t bother as their goal is to destroy the Jewish state and replace it with Islam. It is again a religious war and not about land - but you bought all the Muslim Brotherhood propaganda.
Sorry - but I MUST take offence at your statement “ethnic cleansing”. You know NOTHING of history of that area obviously. Please do some research, search some history books and you WILL come to the realisation that this is Israel’s and the Jews fight for their very existence. The Jews have been in that region for more than 4,500 years FULL STOP. There is NO race on earth called Palestinians - they are Arabs and the neighbouring Arab countries don’t want a bar of them - EXCEPT Jordan which has said it would take any of them who wanted to
Guyon -an indonesian jurist senior enough to give Yogokarta Principles their insipid and lethal rise ,unannounced today builds on a foundation he used Kinsey highly profitably for .
Whenever indonesian rape and torture are present - Guyon laid the precedents politically in france & Yogokarta .
Guyon was legal advisor & mentor to Kinsey ,Kinsey is accepted lock stock & barrel ,worldwide ,and is basis for trans movement .
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First off - having lived in netherlands for 40 years there is no chance in hell that NL govt were not increasing Shell's futures options holdings by interpassive ''pseudo ennabling'' the malaysian initiatives that led to sexual abuse . Doubt 43% Shell futures on ukr since mid oughties ?
Having been retrospective unwilling witness to Edward Brongersma's revolting 1957 knighthood IMMEDIATELY upon being released 6months through a jail sentence for not so subtley massageing legal definitions of consent ,with a ,(then ) minor) .He then went on to teach Verdonk Wilders Pim Fortuin and many many more in his 40 years as chief criminologist in upper senate seat of goverment ,Den Haag ..
Brongersma went on to augment his famous book ''Boylove'' as a forced ,ie not voluntary -Yogokarta Principles backdrop to every single conversation in NL -since .
Brongersma defended Dutroux's 14 skeletons and perverse lifestlye(s) on SBS6 a national TV channel in 1998 .
Public outcry was so great that Brongersma received only 2 stones through his self pitying Wassenaar mansions window .
We've had 8 - aimed at son's then minor head - while studying - all under the schadefreude grins of the police ,nationally and locally . But that was not for supporting Dutroux - it was for Stasi groundless ,lawless repitition from local law givers.Subsequently fired - but spared jail ,wrongly .
Brongersma after 1998 SBS6 TV defence of child murder - subsequently requested aided euthenasia from his GP weeks after the SBS6 endorsement of Dutroux ,which Rutte has taken over subliminally ,as head of UN .
All references to Brongersma - his balls up & more as chief Senator criminologist & lawgiver of NL over a decade of UK's Bulger boys who sacrificed a 4 year old on railway lines
culminated in UK govt in 1998 requesting formally the whole Belgian govt resign ,based on scarcity to non existence of politiions -both inside ,ie within the EU Brussels 24 oligarch unelectable system - and the national Belgian goverment .
My witness for all this is Major General Ian Watson ,and the daughter of Peter De Vries ,executed by researching these facts in conjunction with the intl Van Traa report ,never completed - because every 11th impounded container is for every associated NL govt lawgiver 's personal and private use ,ostensibly to pay off''undercovers' - a laughable and cynical myth .
So the shares on Shell's futures must be investigated thoroughly at the time of sexualised terrorisation of native peoples in Papua - as NL govt recently indited Shell for a mere 10 million euros for genocide proven in Nigeria .
Kinsey's mentor was Guyon - an indonesian well versed in sacrificial rituals ,made entiredly legal ,in France ; EU ,and the associated mores in the Male definitions of sexuality in K's 1948 book - so dearly loved by Maastricht Univertsity ,even today .
Shell may have some activities in papua and png but they have no need for cultural subjugation as the mining firms simply go in, extract wealth and leave. It is Indonesia that is keen on permanently taking the land for itself as Indonesian territory, for which it needs to crush the papuans into becoming indonesians
Have longterm papuan friends who tell me of long decades of - post australian administration - indonesian violence ,who dare not return to their roots .A great shame because the father was a papuan weather station data collector - making Camel trophy events look staged and tame ,in comparison with a back garden the size of Utrecht province - but dense jungle - and the daily grind of getting across another river with cables pulling the special landrover routinely getting very stuck .
The knowledge of herbal forest medicines is also broken ''in transmission '' to present sons - who were half papuan ,half indonesian .
Also have gathered from eyewitnesses nl indonesian/colony pre independance sources that nl was concrete in providing centuries long grievance patterns .
These kneejerk islamifications of grief do not occur in a vacuum .
Netherlands had zero influence on the indon invasion and occupation. The indons fired at the dutch warship and they steamed out of there as fast as they could leaving papua to the indon predations
The sexual violence has a clear islamic influence and the use of rape as a tool of Islamic domination is also observed in Europe, the UK and on October 7
That may be the antipodean perspective - but unless you're AVID - no antipodean can say ''no' nl involvement .Especially as Arkan was falsely portrayed as dead early oughties by SBS6 nl national TV lengthy interview with those who helped him escape from Bijlmer 1989- 4 years before Vukovar massacre shell/un implicated - the shooter ,posing as the very dutch mercenary who sat with him (it was A's driver who had died ,a common serbian security switch ) - Serbs needed demonised so that south stream would not pass through serbia .Its now a few hundred kms south Baku Durres .
As to zilch gas ''in'' Gaza - that would be why the day 120 Gazan genocide -12 BP exploratory licences were granted by Netanyahu <20kms off coast of Gaza .
It would be an hydrocarbon illiterate who posits when (in mOses' time) Adriatic volcanic island - ''Thera'' blew 18 cubic kms lava into the stratosphere ,creating Hellenic Trench arc - to argue today that ''no gas '' offshoring Gaza exists .
Churchill's WW1 BP formational refusal to allow Shell to sell hydrocarbons to axis powers through neutral powers - a problem with any of those not within suchlike -2 weeks after Gallipoli resignation is too close to early 1990s highly related Srebenica script that dutchbat prompted 5 full NL govt resignations paars kabinet to the then queen Beatrix .
Nobel failure also prevalent in Stoltenbergs Norwegian military diving decompression ship10km proximal presence to 3 teams of 2 breathing helium & 3 gas mix at very limits of possibility .This means Norwegian deniability for Norwegian military decompression - denied by all - except that NL military intell - MIVD compromised UN by confirming this to the German govt prosecutors ,and the Daiy Telegraph reported first .
3 remotely activated mines were planted 86m depth x 3 Northstream pipes - ignited 26 sept 2023 .
The DT article on Falklands being the costliest real estate in Southern Hemisphere ,because of Putin's giant hydrocarbon find 24 May 2024 sustains the hypotheses
Weddel Sea 10 x last 50 years North Sea hydrocarbons from RU ''right of discovery'' 24 May 2024 on the last gasp of Antarctic treaty authority on contested Chilean/Argentinian /UK oversight .
The chinese are already pirating hydrocarbons from Vietnamese waters from a submerged platform ,since feb 2024 ,apparently ,according to DT sources .
So the picture that NL ,UK or even Oz is entirely innocent of any sexualisation of slavery cannot be separated from the ultimate prostitution of all - the arbitrary exaltation of one life above another . Better still ,proximal - ie submerged extraction platforms get into intl law offshore /continental shelf definitions ; grey area
Wherever dutch involvement is heard ,at any level,especially strategically retreating ''military'' - even Rwanda genocide a further example of frech paras first - noble dutchbat failure second -the head of Red Cross war wounds expertise is dutch ,a friend - operating in hails of bullets constantly overhead - in war zones.He was there - getting 30mins debriefing - screaming middle of night next 25 years flashbacks ; contrasts with the permanent political pity party that is dutchbats function .
sorry but some of this story does not add up...how do you rape with a lighted candle? a candle would go out as it was inserted...it sounds like somewhat of a story like the girl that testified before the American Congress about babies that were killed in incubators in Iraq which turned out to be a lie just to get America into the 91 war with Iraq
Yes it burns and then goes out causing pain. This was many witnesses, more than one testimony and yes, this happened. You can go to the Citizens Tribubal page and listen yourself to the video testimony, read the reports by the human rights agencies, and view the evidence it is all up there. The Tribunal gave their verdict.
This is such an important story to tell about West Papua, but I felt uneasy with how it links the violence to Islam and “Javanese Muslims.” Also, contrasting West Papuans with Gazan refugees feels unfair, it pits two vulnerable groups against each other when both deserve compassion.
That is a simple fact. Islam is intimately linked to the violence. It has been pretended away for far too long. Michael Bachelard at the Sydney Morning Herald documented how Christian Papuan children were being put through Madrassas to Islamise them. It's a crucial part of the colonisation, destroying the identity of Papuans.
Islam as you have mentioned is a massive ideology with 1.9 billion followers worldwide, and is in no need of apologists to defend it, having control of several large and wealthy countries, and 56 nations who all co-operate on religious lines at the Organisation of Islamic Co-operation, who also make the largest voting bloc at the UN.
Thank you Alison. Happening in other parts of the world too, and nothing is being reported, apart from on Al Jazera strangely. Agree with you regarding the ideology, which has perverted the true essence (if there ever was a true essence of Islam). I was unaware of that event in West Papua.
The story cannot be told accurately without referencing the religious, ethnic and cultural dimensions of this conflict.
It cannot be understood without it and it would be dishonest to leave those details out. They are not gratuitous but necessary for an accurate representation of the reality there.
The Indonesian military is not a religious army, it is a nationalist force acting under orders from Jakarta. The atrocities in Biak were acts of state terror, not expressions of Islamic ideology. Indonesian Muslims themselves (e.g. Acehnese and Timorese populations) have also been victims of military brutality, showing this is about authoritarianism, not religion. FGM does occur in parts of Indonesia, and it was not cited in credible reports as the motivation for the Biak atrocities. Sexual violence in conflict zones is a tragic global phenomenon committed by soldiers of all faiths (e.g. Bosnia, Rwanda). To attribute it to “Islamic culture” ignores the patterns of militarised misogyny worldwide.
And Indonesia’s population has grown everywhere, not just in West Papua. The demographic shift in Papua is due to state sponsored migration, not a religious mission. And your quote “Gazans should never be allowed to resettle here” has nothing to do with West Papua and exposes the your real agenda: leveraging Papuan suffering to fuel anti Muslim sentiment.
Religion is not the whole of the story, but it is an indispensable part of the story, which is why it is included in the way that it is. As part, but not the whole.
Just like you cannot understand the Cold War without reference to communism, you cannot understand the attempt to obliterate West Papuan identity without reference to ethnicity and religion as well as militaristic nationalism. They are all part of the story.
The left and Islam always want to leave Islam out of it, but that leaves a distorted understanding that does not reflect reality.
12 exploratory <20km hydrocarbon licenses wer granted BP ( & therefore by implication Shell) around day 120 by the mortally sinning Netanyjahu . Several years before academic papers from the question were circulating on how to keep the shareholdding out of arab hands .
[Australia should never allow Gazans to resettle here, but instead should accept the West Papuans, our closest neighbours in trouble.]
100%
Thank you for not letting this atrocity slip into the memory hole of history.
Maybe all those keffiyeh wearing idiots protesting weekly should look at this - but they won't, and we all know why.
yep those idiots have no idea
thank you for reading it.
Yeah, paid only to promote Gaza.
“We all know why”. I don’t. Why?
Would have thought that was pretty obvious, but anyway.... how often do the rent a mob come out and protest atrocities committed by Muslims against Christians (and anyone who isn't Muslim) ?
https://www.raymondibrahim.com/2025/06/18/trumps-words-and-the-silence-of-others-on-the-persecution-of-christians/
https://www.raymondibrahim.com/2025/06/16/you-infidel-will-meet-allah-the-muslim-persecution-of-christians-april-2025/
But I’d be careful with sites like Raymond Ibrahim’s. They frame these events in a way that blames Islam as a whole rather than extremist groups or political systems.
Filling your head with that kind of narrative isn’t just unfair to the 1.9 billion Muslims who aren’t part of any of this, it’s dangerous because it breeds religious hate and division. It’s how ordinary people get pushed into seeing entire communities as enemies
The problem is what Islam teaches and not extremist groups. It was not extemist groups attacking these women but the indonesian military. There is an Islamic dimension to this violence that comes from Islamic ideology which is expansionist, supremacist, aggressively violent and totalitarian. Islam as an ideological system is incompatible with other systems which is why non-Muslims are treated poorly under Islamic rule. It is the religious dimension that makes this colonisation so awful for Papuans, whose children are sometimes kidnapped and forced into Madrassas to ensure they are indoctrinated into Islam so as to colonise more effectively for Jakarta.
The religious hate and division is caused by the ideology of Islam and Raymond Ibrahim is a Coptic Christian from Egypt, which was entirely Christian before Islam took over. His family experienced first hand the Islamic discrimination against non-Muslims which informs his commentary.
Not all religions are the same. Islam alone has the most aggressive, colonialist,.expansionist and suptemacist ideology right now which is also explicitly political, carries its own constitution and legal system which it promotes, and which is the politically organising principle of the 56 nations of the OIC.
I am not at all squeamish about criticising Islam as it is an explicit organising principle of political power and aggression.
Why are you carrying water for it?
The story of West Papua's rape and domination cannot be accurately told without reference to Islam.
To leave the role of religion put of West Papua's story is dishonest.
Islam has contributed to the actions of the Indonesian military.
The story cannot be accurately told without reference to the religious dimension of the conflict.
To leave it out as you would like is simply dishonest.
Why do you want to lie for Islam?
What other global minority?
Brigitte Gabriel has an accurate take on "moderate Muslims": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s
In any case, any "religion" that has it's vision of paradise in the afterlife (at least for men) as a fancy brothel has some issues.
https://x.com/DanBurmawy/status/1939299883984302169
https://x.com/DanBurmawy/status/1939304888640356423
The only religious hate and division is sowed by the text the Muslims worship as the immutable word of God: the Quran.
A lot of people think L. Ron Hubbard's made up religion (i.e. Scientology) is bat sh*t crazy, but when you delve into the Quran, Hubbard's a rank amateur.
The 1.9.billion Muslims worldwide have done nothing to reform Islam nor can they due to the religious imperatives not to change a word of the text and to follow the example.of Mohammad.
The world's moderate Muslims do indeed bear some responsibility for reforming Islam because if not them then who do you expect to do it? Non-Muslims?
So you're saying the immutable word of God as written in the Quran and Hadiths - many quotes referenced in the links I provided - is not true ? I'm not doing any analysis, I'm quoting what their guiding teachings say.
Most people who have lived through Islamisation of their countries, like Gad Saad, Brigitte Gabriel and Ayaan Hirsi Ali say exactly the same thing about Islam.
Is seems to me you are acting as an apologist for, as Alison said above, "Islamic ideology which is expansionist, supremacist, aggressively violent and totalitarian".
That is just a horrifying story and it's disgusting that Australia has done nothing. How are these soldiers so barbaric. No conscience no anything just hate.
Correct. we do nothing in Australia due to fear of Indonesia to our north which has a larger military than us and a much larger population.
Yes. Australia practices appeasement politics because we cannot defend ourselves. We have been the ‘Lucky Country’ for about 200 years now.
Why have we not been gobbled up? Who’s our ‘protector’ been? USA? And if that is so, why are Albo/Rudd/Wong strutting their disdain for the new President?
It appears they are supporting some ‘other’ potential ally. Are we going to joint the BRICS alliance?
Asking for a friend.
yes correct, the US has been our guarantor of safety all these long years and we are dependent on them for our defence.
It sure has a big population and that surprised me. What a horror show. Is it all about religion or what
Muslim / Islam is not a religion. It is a barbaric atrocity!!!
Beyond horrific!
it is terrible and sad that there has been no justice in all this time, and that Australia does nothing as always
And why shouldn’t we take Gazans? I mean, I don’t think either should be allowed to be driven off their land by the Israelis or the Indonesians (who seem to be behaving in a similar settler fashion). But why do you take it as assumed that we shouldn’t take Gazans? Because they are Muslim?
We should not take Gazans because they are the responsibility of neighbouring Arab Muslim nations with whom they share ethnicity, religion, language and culture, as well as geographical proximity.
It is self-serving cruelty pretending to be kindness to want to bring them around the world to an alien country where they will be a minority far from their relatives.
Secondly it is the Arab Muslims who began the conflict with Israel in 1947 after being given several large countries out of the Ottoman lands including Jordan, Qatar and Iraq. They again re-started that same war to destroy Israel on October 7.
Their situation is nothing like the Papuans who were invaded by an entirely alien people in 1964. The Gazans have no legitimate claim to the land of Israel that they want to rule, and which was never their country. No land was stolen from the Arab Muslims of Gaza despite their claims. The Papuans are the legitimate owners of their own native country West Papua and are being dispossessed of their native land.
So in a nutshell, that is why. I have provided historical references and gone into more detail on this in previous substacks.
https://slideplayer.com/slide/12466297/74/images/4/A+Major+Hydrocarbon+Province.jpg
has clear massive PNG hydrocarbon interests ,showing Gazan BP 12 exploratory hydrocarbon interests <20 kms from Gazan coast around day 120 from Netanyahu- are entirely relatable .
I greatly admire the oz mining concepts & that the De Beers diamond genocidists - arrestable 20 decades if they step into NY ,USA found such a welcome in the various-mining ''concessions'' around the world ,pty based in australian adresses .
West Papua has the giant Freeport McMoRan mine which Henry Kissenger once sat on the board of. The US backed Suharto against communism. Those were the 2 main reasons for the US backing Indon.
Gaza has diddly squat gas. Qatar (al Thani clan)has the largest gas reserves they are the world's biggest gas exporters and they support Muslim Brotherhood which is Hamas, thus hosting all the Hamas leaders. They also own Al Jazeera and are regulars at the WEF. Britain gave Qatar to the Arab Muslims out of Ottoman lands after ww1.
false equivalence ,Rio Tinto tactics in serbia are as equally revolting as the rubbishing of 50 000 year sacred monuments ,in stolen lands .
No matter where the ozmining companies go - storyline identical .
That the De Beers heads found a hearty welcome in oz , preventing their blood diamond trials around the world speaks volumes .
I'm oz ,and sure as hell will not live there because of these facile and unnuanced false parameters of loyalty .
Australia is a Christian country. Are you thick?
Australia is technically yes as the crown is the head of the Church of England and we are part of the commonwealth so that is also our head of state. But we have a secular constitution so we are really a secular country which is best. That means all equal under laws made by our own parliament and keep your religion a private matter
Well, we have separation of church and state, and it’s never stopped us from taking other religions before (or atheists).
Yes but Islam is not just a religion it is a political and legal.system. it should be regarded the same way we regarded communism during the cold war as it is an enemy ideology that means to destroy our civilisation and replace it with islam. Islam is clear on this point regardless of how lax ordinary muslims are about enforcing it
We have the fruits of lots of past mistakes to learn from. Needless to say Gazans are a different case anyway. There is a reason they are not taken in by neighbouring Muslim countries.
The reason Arab Muslim neighbouring countries do not take in their Arab Muslim brothers and sisters from Gaza is because they want all the land for themselves exactly as they did in 1947 and they are using Gazan's misery as a weapon of war.
Their strategy is to make the civilians suffer and die so much that Israel, which has no choice but to fight Hamas, will be cut off from international support and eventually forced to allow millions of Arab Muslims into Israel. Which will then demographically be destroyed as the world's only Jewish state, leaving Sunni Islam in charge of Israel, which is all they want.
That is why they do not take in their brothers-in-arms. Their strategy is working.
Interesting theory and could well be true on that side. Everyone wants that land. Don’t make Israel the helpless innocents in this though. “Have no choice but to fight Hamas”. Firstly, there’s always a choice; second, Bibi was FUNDING Hamas (because it’s super useful to them as an excuse to continue their police state and for the current ethnic cleansing); third, they have the technology to be a lot more precise than they are of they just wanted Hamas, but that’s not what they want, they want to flatten Gaza, cleanse it of its people, and create greater Israel.
None of this drama with Gaza or Iran is really about religion, anyway. It’s about resources and trade routes, when you get to the heart of it. As always with war.
Iran war yes I think that is about trade routes and the Sunni - Shia civil war
I think Israel-Gaza is probably about a trade route too. The desired Ben Gurion Canal.
I have very dear Iranian friends who live in Australia. Both of their parents and families still in Iran. They consider themselves Persians and they all live Israel and the Jews and abhor the tyrannical Islamic regime that currently rules over them. Most Persians are of the Ba’hai faith or agnostic. Very FEW of them are Muslim.
I know quite a few Iranians - work with one, dated one. Yes they all call themselves Persians. What you say is somewhat true (I don’t think it’s accurate to suggest most are Ba’hai, that’s a small religion… many might say they are Zoroastrian or just secular). The girl I work with - first thing she said was, “I’ve been worrying about my family in Tehran day and night”. Second thing she said was, “but we don’t like the regime”. My ex’s uncle was imprisoned by the regime so he def doesn’t like it either. Many hate it, it’s true.
Basing our perceptions on those who disliked it enough to come to Australia is biased, however, for one thing. The regime does have its supporters as well. But regardless of that, having your family and country bombed and outsiders attempt regime change is not really likely what any sane person wants. I mean, regime change by the US doesn’t generally turn out that well. Libya is now an open slave market, for example. The Iranians need to sort things out for themselves. They don’t need foreign governments coming in, pretending to be white knights, while they eye off resources and new trade routes.
We should oppose a war there first selfish reasons too. Petrol prices would absolutely skyrocket because of the Strait of Hormuz.
Love Israel
Yes, two reasons. 1) The neighbouring countries don’t want to be complicit in Israel’s ethnic cleansing. Gazans shouldn’t have to leave the only home they’ve known for generations upon generations just because someone else fancies taking it by force (not in this day and age). 2) That’s a lot of people for a small handful of countries to take - a massive increase of any people all at once is destabilising to the receiving country.
Palestinians welcomed the Jews displaced after WW2 into their homes, and were repaid by being kicked out of their homes at gunpoint. Yet you suggest there is something especially evil or repugnant about these people. I think you are the one who is thick - you believe Israeli nonsense, clearly
Gaza was given to the Arab Muslims by Israel who uprooted all their people and left 15 years ago. The Arab Muslims have no claim to Gaza because they started a war, lost it and Hamas still refuse to surrender so the war drags on. They could have built a Singapore on the Mediterranean but didn’t bother as their goal is to destroy the Jewish state and replace it with Islam. It is again a religious war and not about land - but you bought all the Muslim Brotherhood propaganda.
Sorry - but I MUST take offence at your statement “ethnic cleansing”. You know NOTHING of history of that area obviously. Please do some research, search some history books and you WILL come to the realisation that this is Israel’s and the Jews fight for their very existence. The Jews have been in that region for more than 4,500 years FULL STOP. There is NO race on earth called Palestinians - they are Arabs and the neighbouring Arab countries don’t want a bar of them - EXCEPT Jordan which has said it would take any of them who wanted to
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Guyon -an indonesian jurist senior enough to give Yogokarta Principles their insipid and lethal rise ,unannounced today builds on a foundation he used Kinsey highly profitably for .
Whenever indonesian rape and torture are present - Guyon laid the precedents politically in france & Yogokarta .
Guyon was legal advisor & mentor to Kinsey ,Kinsey is accepted lock stock & barrel ,worldwide ,and is basis for trans movement .
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First off - having lived in netherlands for 40 years there is no chance in hell that NL govt were not increasing Shell's futures options holdings by interpassive ''pseudo ennabling'' the malaysian initiatives that led to sexual abuse . Doubt 43% Shell futures on ukr since mid oughties ?
Having been retrospective unwilling witness to Edward Brongersma's revolting 1957 knighthood IMMEDIATELY upon being released 6months through a jail sentence for not so subtley massageing legal definitions of consent ,with a ,(then ) minor) .He then went on to teach Verdonk Wilders Pim Fortuin and many many more in his 40 years as chief criminologist in upper senate seat of goverment ,Den Haag ..
Brongersma went on to augment his famous book ''Boylove'' as a forced ,ie not voluntary -Yogokarta Principles backdrop to every single conversation in NL -since .
Brongersma defended Dutroux's 14 skeletons and perverse lifestlye(s) on SBS6 a national TV channel in 1998 .
Public outcry was so great that Brongersma received only 2 stones through his self pitying Wassenaar mansions window .
We've had 8 - aimed at son's then minor head - while studying - all under the schadefreude grins of the police ,nationally and locally . But that was not for supporting Dutroux - it was for Stasi groundless ,lawless repitition from local law givers.Subsequently fired - but spared jail ,wrongly .
Brongersma after 1998 SBS6 TV defence of child murder - subsequently requested aided euthenasia from his GP weeks after the SBS6 endorsement of Dutroux ,which Rutte has taken over subliminally ,as head of UN .
All references to Brongersma - his balls up & more as chief Senator criminologist & lawgiver of NL over a decade of UK's Bulger boys who sacrificed a 4 year old on railway lines
culminated in UK govt in 1998 requesting formally the whole Belgian govt resign ,based on scarcity to non existence of politiions -both inside ,ie within the EU Brussels 24 oligarch unelectable system - and the national Belgian goverment .
My witness for all this is Major General Ian Watson ,and the daughter of Peter De Vries ,executed by researching these facts in conjunction with the intl Van Traa report ,never completed - because every 11th impounded container is for every associated NL govt lawgiver 's personal and private use ,ostensibly to pay off''undercovers' - a laughable and cynical myth .
So the shares on Shell's futures must be investigated thoroughly at the time of sexualised terrorisation of native peoples in Papua - as NL govt recently indited Shell for a mere 10 million euros for genocide proven in Nigeria .
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shows the indonesians were not acting ''alone'' .
No ,this is absolutely not ''uncalculated''
Kinsey's mentor was Guyon - an indonesian well versed in sacrificial rituals ,made entiredly legal ,in France ; EU ,and the associated mores in the Male definitions of sexuality in K's 1948 book - so dearly loved by Maastricht Univertsity ,even today .
Shell may have some activities in papua and png but they have no need for cultural subjugation as the mining firms simply go in, extract wealth and leave. It is Indonesia that is keen on permanently taking the land for itself as Indonesian territory, for which it needs to crush the papuans into becoming indonesians
Have longterm papuan friends who tell me of long decades of - post australian administration - indonesian violence ,who dare not return to their roots .A great shame because the father was a papuan weather station data collector - making Camel trophy events look staged and tame ,in comparison with a back garden the size of Utrecht province - but dense jungle - and the daily grind of getting across another river with cables pulling the special landrover routinely getting very stuck .
The knowledge of herbal forest medicines is also broken ''in transmission '' to present sons - who were half papuan ,half indonesian .
Also have gathered from eyewitnesses nl indonesian/colony pre independance sources that nl was concrete in providing centuries long grievance patterns .
These kneejerk islamifications of grief do not occur in a vacuum .
Netherlands had zero influence on the indon invasion and occupation. The indons fired at the dutch warship and they steamed out of there as fast as they could leaving papua to the indon predations
The sexual violence has a clear islamic influence and the use of rape as a tool of Islamic domination is also observed in Europe, the UK and on October 7
That may be the antipodean perspective - but unless you're AVID - no antipodean can say ''no' nl involvement .Especially as Arkan was falsely portrayed as dead early oughties by SBS6 nl national TV lengthy interview with those who helped him escape from Bijlmer 1989- 4 years before Vukovar massacre shell/un implicated - the shooter ,posing as the very dutch mercenary who sat with him (it was A's driver who had died ,a common serbian security switch ) - Serbs needed demonised so that south stream would not pass through serbia .Its now a few hundred kms south Baku Durres .
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/a-hrc-59-23-from-economy-of-occupation-to-economy-of-genocide-report-special-rapporteur-francesca-albanese-palestine-2025/
As to zilch gas ''in'' Gaza - that would be why the day 120 Gazan genocide -12 BP exploratory licences were granted by Netanyahu <20kms off coast of Gaza .
It would be an hydrocarbon illiterate who posits when (in mOses' time) Adriatic volcanic island - ''Thera'' blew 18 cubic kms lava into the stratosphere ,creating Hellenic Trench arc - to argue today that ''no gas '' offshoring Gaza exists .
Churchill's WW1 BP formational refusal to allow Shell to sell hydrocarbons to axis powers through neutral powers - a problem with any of those not within suchlike -2 weeks after Gallipoli resignation is too close to early 1990s highly related Srebenica script that dutchbat prompted 5 full NL govt resignations paars kabinet to the then queen Beatrix .
Nobel failure also prevalent in Stoltenbergs Norwegian military diving decompression ship10km proximal presence to 3 teams of 2 breathing helium & 3 gas mix at very limits of possibility .This means Norwegian deniability for Norwegian military decompression - denied by all - except that NL military intell - MIVD compromised UN by confirming this to the German govt prosecutors ,and the Daiy Telegraph reported first .
3 remotely activated mines were planted 86m depth x 3 Northstream pipes - ignited 26 sept 2023 .
The DT article on Falklands being the costliest real estate in Southern Hemisphere ,because of Putin's giant hydrocarbon find 24 May 2024 sustains the hypotheses
Weddel Sea 10 x last 50 years North Sea hydrocarbons from RU ''right of discovery'' 24 May 2024 on the last gasp of Antarctic treaty authority on contested Chilean/Argentinian /UK oversight .
The chinese are already pirating hydrocarbons from Vietnamese waters from a submerged platform ,since feb 2024 ,apparently ,according to DT sources .
So the picture that NL ,UK or even Oz is entirely innocent of any sexualisation of slavery cannot be separated from the ultimate prostitution of all - the arbitrary exaltation of one life above another . Better still ,proximal - ie submerged extraction platforms get into intl law offshore /continental shelf definitions ; grey area
Wherever dutch involvement is heard ,at any level,especially strategically retreating ''military'' - even Rwanda genocide a further example of frech paras first - noble dutchbat failure second -the head of Red Cross war wounds expertise is dutch ,a friend - operating in hails of bullets constantly overhead - in war zones.He was there - getting 30mins debriefing - screaming middle of night next 25 years flashbacks ; contrasts with the permanent political pity party that is dutchbats function .
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'Palestinians' are a mix of all the people who have lived or passed through that region.......
sorry but some of this story does not add up...how do you rape with a lighted candle? a candle would go out as it was inserted...it sounds like somewhat of a story like the girl that testified before the American Congress about babies that were killed in incubators in Iraq which turned out to be a lie just to get America into the 91 war with Iraq
Yes it burns and then goes out causing pain. This was many witnesses, more than one testimony and yes, this happened. You can go to the Citizens Tribubal page and listen yourself to the video testimony, read the reports by the human rights agencies, and view the evidence it is all up there. The Tribunal gave their verdict.
How superbly ,but ignorantly elliptical - presumably you have tried it ?
no but I have picked up lighted candles and moved them, thank you very much and you don't have to reply as I wont be reading your comment
Solipcistic - refusal to read Richard Wurmbrandt on the subject - and especially Solzhenitsyn's Gulag Archipeligo .
not writing ''for'' you .
This is such an important story to tell about West Papua, but I felt uneasy with how it links the violence to Islam and “Javanese Muslims.” Also, contrasting West Papuans with Gazan refugees feels unfair, it pits two vulnerable groups against each other when both deserve compassion.
That is a simple fact. Islam is intimately linked to the violence. It has been pretended away for far too long. Michael Bachelard at the Sydney Morning Herald documented how Christian Papuan children were being put through Madrassas to Islamise them. It's a crucial part of the colonisation, destroying the identity of Papuans.
Here is his story: https://www.smh.com.au/world/conversions-invoke-fears-of-west-papuas-stolen-generation-20140301-33shu.html
archived here
https://web.archive.org/web/20140310024235/https://www.smh.com.au/world/conversions-invoke-fears-of-west-papuas-stolen-generation-20140301-33shu.html
Islam as you have mentioned is a massive ideology with 1.9 billion followers worldwide, and is in no need of apologists to defend it, having control of several large and wealthy countries, and 56 nations who all co-operate on religious lines at the Organisation of Islamic Co-operation, who also make the largest voting bloc at the UN.
Thank you Alison. Happening in other parts of the world too, and nothing is being reported, apart from on Al Jazera strangely. Agree with you regarding the ideology, which has perverted the true essence (if there ever was a true essence of Islam). I was unaware of that event in West Papua.
The story cannot be told accurately without referencing the religious, ethnic and cultural dimensions of this conflict.
It cannot be understood without it and it would be dishonest to leave those details out. They are not gratuitous but necessary for an accurate representation of the reality there.
The Indonesian military is not a religious army, it is a nationalist force acting under orders from Jakarta. The atrocities in Biak were acts of state terror, not expressions of Islamic ideology. Indonesian Muslims themselves (e.g. Acehnese and Timorese populations) have also been victims of military brutality, showing this is about authoritarianism, not religion. FGM does occur in parts of Indonesia, and it was not cited in credible reports as the motivation for the Biak atrocities. Sexual violence in conflict zones is a tragic global phenomenon committed by soldiers of all faiths (e.g. Bosnia, Rwanda). To attribute it to “Islamic culture” ignores the patterns of militarised misogyny worldwide.
And Indonesia’s population has grown everywhere, not just in West Papua. The demographic shift in Papua is due to state sponsored migration, not a religious mission. And your quote “Gazans should never be allowed to resettle here” has nothing to do with West Papua and exposes the your real agenda: leveraging Papuan suffering to fuel anti Muslim sentiment.
Religion is not the whole of the story, but it is an indispensable part of the story, which is why it is included in the way that it is. As part, but not the whole.
Just like you cannot understand the Cold War without reference to communism, you cannot understand the attempt to obliterate West Papuan identity without reference to ethnicity and religion as well as militaristic nationalism. They are all part of the story.
The left and Islam always want to leave Islam out of it, but that leaves a distorted understanding that does not reflect reality.
Palantir & Japanese owners of Volvo - and many others profit from the linkage you descry
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/a-hrc-59-23-from-economy-of-occupation-to-economy-of-genocide-report-special-rapporteur-francesca-albanese-palestine-2025/
12 exploratory <20km hydrocarbon licenses wer granted BP ( & therefore by implication Shell) around day 120 by the mortally sinning Netanyjahu . Several years before academic papers from the question were circulating on how to keep the shareholdding out of arab hands .
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beggars belief .